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John Carlos Baez on Nostr: When people claim 0.9999.... is not equal to 1, you can explain why they're wrong. Or ...

When people claim 0.9999.... is not equal to 1, you can explain why they're wrong. Or you can interpret them a bit more charitably and think of a kind of math where they're right.

They're not right if they are talking about the real numbers. But they could be right in some other number system, like the hyperreal numbers! In the hyperreal numbers, there's a number smaller than 1 and bigger than

0.9

and bigger than

0.99

and bigger than

0.999

and so on. You can call this number 0.9999..., and then

0.9999... < 1

But you have to be careful about that "..." thing. The hyperreals also contain different sizes of infinite numbers! So, you have to say how many 9's you mean: just saying there are infinitely many is too vague.

If you let the 9's go on infinitely *for the smallest size of infinity*, but then stop and put 0's after that, then you get a number smaller than 1.

In fact you can stop after any size of infinity, and you'll get a number smaller than 1. But you get different numbers this way.

And if you go on *forever*, you get 1.

All this is explained here:

• Karin Usadi Katz and Mikhail G. Katz, When is .999... less than 1?, The Mathematical Enthusiast 7 (2010), 3–30, https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1381&context=tme

• A. Harold Lightstone, Infinitesimals, American Mathematical Monthly 79 (1972), 242–251, https://www.jstor.org/stable/2316619?seq=1

Thanks to for pointing out Lightstone's paper! The other paper is perhaps better for people wanting to think about this issue in lots of ways.