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      <title type="html">📅 Original date posted:2012-10-01 📝 Original message:Hi ...</title>
    
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      In reply to &lt;a href=&#39;/nevent1qqs2e0m5533kzm56tp7ep5fpcwqdpy3pnv34mfwr84xajejvv728kug3dca95&#39;&gt;nevent1q…ca95&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;_________________________&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;📅 Original date posted:2012-10-01&lt;br/&gt;📝 Original message:Hi guys.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, as I mentioned on the bitcointalk.org forums thread about the&lt;br/&gt;foundation, I want to get involved in the QA side of bitcoin&lt;br/&gt;development. I&amp;#39;ve done functional testing in the video game industry for&lt;br/&gt;years. I&amp;#39;ve read all the messages in this thread, but I&amp;#39;m left unclear how&lt;br/&gt;I can most effectively and quickly being helping out. Could I get a bit of&lt;br/&gt;a directional nudge?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Arklan&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;----------&lt;br/&gt;As long as there is light, the darkness holds no fear. And yet, even in the&lt;br/&gt;deepest black, there is life. - Arklan Uth Oslin&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I want to leave this world the same way I came into it: backwards and on&lt;br/&gt;fire. - Arklan Uth Oslin&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, steve &amp;lt;steve at mistfpga.net&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Hash: SHA1&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Gavin,&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Sorry for the delayed response, I wanted to take a couple of days to&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; reflect on your email.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; On 26/09/2012 19:09, Gavin Andresen wrote:&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; And their are other methods too.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; The GUI::Test package for perl will allow this to be greatly&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; automated. (I have done this before on the localisation of photoshop.)&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; this why we need detailed testscripts and plans.  so we know what has&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; and hasnt been done. The more boring the task the more work that needs&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; to go into testcase development.  This is the area I see as my&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; greatest failing last time.  I have a large number of virtual machines&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; and should have at least this work.  But we need very detailed&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; testcases.  with decent testplans just downloading the software,&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; syncing the block chain, syncing an existing wallet, rescanning the&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; blockchain and verifying the balance would cover a large number of&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; tests.  The idea behind having lots of very specific testcases is you&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; get to see what tests have not been run.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; I understand your concern, however I have taken a couple of days to&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; reflect on this and I still strongly feel that in order to make sure&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; that this sticks, and is still useful in 1 years time we need to lay&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; proper foundations. Those foundations are not word documents,&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; spreadsheets, etc.  they are selecting the right tools for the job.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; We can gain so much benefit from using 3rd party software.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; (bettermeans would rock if it wasnt rotting)&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; I am sure you could do your coding work just using vi, but an sdk&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; makes it much easier and allows you to work in a more productive manner.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; I have had a couple of off list emails with some testers and they also&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; feel that it is very important to make sure we have a sound foundation&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; (mantis is so much more than just a bug reporting tool, I see the bug&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; reporting functionality as secondary to the main test run&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; functionality - but it doesnt have to be mantis based, we do need&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; workflow and testcase software though - and proper software for this&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; is much better than just a massive google doc.) however I am checking&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; out some other software that has been recommended.  It will be very&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; hard to change &amp;#39;the process&amp;#39; once we have something we are used too&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; (just look at the current resistance) I promise nothing will change&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; for the dev team.  But test does need other tools, and processes.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; If you feel that strongly that I am going about this the wrong way, I&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; am happy to step back and let someone else sort it out (I will still&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; do all the testing I possibly can). I would feel that this would be a&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; real shame and we have the chance to setup requirements to&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; functionality to tests all with traceability. why not do it right from&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; the start?&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; I will open up my vps&amp;#39; somepoint over the next few days and you can&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; see what I mean. I will setup a fake git project, and sort out the&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; interactions.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - &lt;a href=&#34;http://www.enigmail.net/&#34;&gt;http://www.enigmail.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQZz1pAAoJEFvEB9dQFvtQRLkIAJtPCkW1R9vmMPY9u4o&#43;ET1t&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; w4pV/&#43;W2PXo2p86HnljCIPLV/cua/1I/EJp7XR7s145Nj4KZUbzHGhvUUmwDOHW2&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; TGvJs&#43;HO1bjsJfh4pWEb6PXcW3TguZxZSt5/rBAAI/5BeomSuRcZOdoV87D1xnK8&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; TSlgaseWrJcpKLO30/FQA3QnH/bjJ4OBmtHp8WaOtSnfww9Zbb5VYca37O15c2U4&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; 2d0RUunDg1w2kRbkKjztxr3YasSOX&#43;07Uvj4d5Lw7zgA0U93krNWVT1Ypo94dNJ7&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; 6SyKi30UuqDdJ9XxZrMB/LBVNGOLlIBNWL&#43;&#43;ocu5GFnOn9pnw57ZMBZM5g6YDpo=&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; =ekQ/&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; How fast is your code?&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; 3 out of 4 devs don\\\&amp;#39;t know how their code performs in production.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite.&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&#34;http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z&#34;&gt;http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&#34;http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html&#34;&gt;http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; _______________________________________________&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&#34;https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#34;&gt;https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;-------------- next part --------------&lt;br/&gt;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&lt;br/&gt;URL: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&#34;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20121001/1d4c561d/attachment.html&amp;gt&#34;&gt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20121001/1d4c561d/attachment.html&amp;gt&lt;/a&gt;;
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