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*TL;DR -- HIGHLIGHT THIS TRANSCRIPT TO CREATE NEW NOSTR EVENTS, GET ZAPS, AND EXPOSE MORE PEOPLE TO THE* BITCOIN PODCAST (https://primal.net/titcoin) IN THE PROCESS

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HERE IS THE TRANSCRIPT - HIGHLIGHT IT

HODL (00:00.206)

2000 and late, you know.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (00:02.802)

Dude, I'm not gonna lie, that camera's pretty sweet, man. You're really, really putting me to shame over here. I've just got my old stationary camera, like some fucking, like Stephen Glansburg over here, you know, just like.

HODL (00:11.79)

I got I got my own camera operator. You know I mean like fucking

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (00:15.858)

Dude, it's pretty dope. All right, let's see if ZapdotStream works. Say yes, ZapdotStream's working you guys. What a glorious day. I was honestly a little nervous. I was like, man, I hyped this stream too much for the stream like not to work. Okay, it does. I have a way of doing that. Okay, we should be rock solid though. Sick, I'm just gonna blast this out.

CASON (00:18.547)

I mean...

HODL (00:28.909)

happens.

HODL (00:38.509)

Dude, Eric, my first vlog was on fucking Giorgio Amgogon, I can never say his name, the state of exception. I chat GPT'd the beats. So I mean, essentially, yes, I did read it.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (00:46.652)

I'm still not sure how to pronounce it after your video.

CASON (00:46.961)

Nobody can.

CASON (00:51.015)

Do you read it?

CASON (00:55.439)

perfect. Nothing is lost in translation there and it's definitely giving you highly accurate. So, well, it's something. I'll take it.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (00:56.232)

you

HODL (01:03.393)

No, but you were the one who told me about it when we were hanging out in Los Angeles. And I've been thinking about the concept ever since you said it to me, and I just can't stop thinking about it lately, especially like with Donald Trump's like move to federalize, you know, the Washington, DC police department, police force. Yeah.

CASON (01:21.639)

Well, let's be fair in that this wasn't just Amboggan's concept, but he got it from our Nazi friend, Carl Schmitt, because we always got to come back to the Nazis, so that's a fun time. But yeah, I'm actually reading the same Nazi again on other esoteric political theory, which has been really fun, actually.

HODL (01:29.654)

Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:30.254)

You know, I-

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:40.614)

I love it.

HODL (01:40.685)

It's always fun to read Nazi literature, you know.

CASON (01:43.759)

It's always fun to explain to like liberal girls in San Francisco like why I'm reading Nazis like it's it's a really great segue where they're like No, no, it's like yeah, he was a Nazi like sure. He defended the night of long knives, but he's like not a bad dude. He's not like

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:49.532)

like, no, no, it's cool, it's cool, it's not what you think.

HODL (02:01.431)

I was gonna put together a shelf of the most controversial books of all time. And then I was in the Amazon cart and I was like, Mein Kampf. And I was like, I don't actually wanna build this shelf of books. I'm not gonna buy Mein Kampf on Amazon.

CASON (02:18.492)

Wait, can you buy Mein Kampf off of Amazon? Like you can actually do that?

HODL (02:23.001)

This was like some years ago. I don't know that you can still do it today. Probably can.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:26.856)

I feel like you should be able to do it though, like on principle, right? Like what kind of

CASON (02:27.046)

Okay.

HODL (02:29.824)

Yeah. Yeah.

CASON (02:31.132)

Well yeah, that's like the whole thing about the First Amendment and like the freedom of speech thing that like people don't like anymore because they're like, no, words are scary and they could like hurt me. So I can't let people say shit that they don't like. Which by the way, like shit going down in the UK, like how fucking wild.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:34.396)

Yeah.

HODL (02:35.317)

Right.

HODL (02:40.886)

You

HODL (02:48.122)

it's crazy. It's the most dystopic thing and then you talk to them and they're Some of them know what's going on and they're despondent like they're just you know So depressed about it that they can't even like move themselves to any meaningful action and then others will tell you with a straight face I've never heard of this. What are you talking about? And you're like, what do you mean? What am I talking about? And they're like

yeah, I heard about the woman who was put in jail for three years and can't see her children because she was a horrible racist. But I mean, that just makes sense. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like this, this lady like expressed an opinion that she, you know, it was uncouth, whatever, whatever you're gonna say about it, but she deleted it. like 10, she went for a walk, like, and deleted it an hour later. So if you can't have a human moment and posts on the internet, and then

decide, know what, that doesn't really reflect my values, I'm gonna delete it. I mean, that's the crazy thing, you're living in a full-on totalitarian concentration camp.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (03:47.209)

Well, even so she didn't like call. I know this the case you're talking about, but like she didn't like call explicitly for violence, did she? Or anything like that. She like

HODL (03:58.101)

She said something in effect of like, you know, burn them all or something.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (04:01.16)

Okay, so okay, so it was could potentially be like, but like, but again, like

HODL (04:04.199)

In, well, in America, in America, the call to violence has to be specific and credible and imminent. There has to be an imminent threat of violence. So if I say, yo, we should fucking kill all those Midwestern fucking D-bags who like Miller Lite, like Walker fucking douchebags, just murder them all, you know? No, that's, that's fine because it's-

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (04:14.255)

Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (04:24.776)

Hey, and we should do it right now. Like we should go find him.

CASON (04:27.314)

Wait, like isn't this going to be a positive discussion on CNBC?

HODL (04:30.397)

It's so broad that it doesn't matter, but if I was like, know, Walker lives at this address and you need to go kill him right now, that's an illegal threat, you know?

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (04:30.844)

Yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (04:41.416)

Yeah, that's I'm glad you're not making that threat by the way, I don't have Well, I'll take you to court see you in court, the the the influencers that you posted or whatever the other day that like we're bragging with with probably like fake numbers because who has that much money like fiat in a bank account, but anyway, like I had multiple people be like, that's like Walker and Carl it's like

HODL (04:45.215)

Peace out, everyone.

HODL (05:00.266)

Yeah, yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (05:04.626)

Do you really, of all the things, after all the things you've seen Carl and I do, you think we'd be the ones out there for some reason still using TikTok and then bragging about, first of all, if I had 200 BTC, I would not need to shill affiliate links on this podcast.

HODL (05:11.934)

Right.

HODL (05:20.203)

Yeah, a bunch of people thought that, a bunch of people thought that was, that was you guys for some reason. I think just cause the dude is, is a similar build to you. But the girl.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (05:28.55)

I thought that guy looked like a bitch, honestly, so I'm kind of offended.

HODL (05:31.819)

Well, you're both just like slender dudes, you know what mean? So like, you know. It's a compliment. It's a compliment.

CASON (05:32.85)

Ha

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (05:35.858)

Wow, slender, yeah. Hmm, doesn't feel like one.

CASON (05:39.442)

I couldn't tell the difference because of how good looking he was. I was like, is that Adonis or Walker? Like, I can't tell.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (05:43.689)

Thank you. Thank you. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Now, it's wild in the UK though. was just talking to some gals that were visiting, like this was like a month or two ago, and I was asking them like, what do you think about the situation there? And they're like, obviously like pretty based. And they were basically like, no, it is as bad or worse than people say. And like, but...

To your point, Hoda, even in the UK, a lot of people just won't talk about it aren't aware of it. But I guess we have the same sort of, I guess that's perhaps a global condition where not everyone's going to pay attention to stuff. But it's wild there because it seems so acute that it's like, how could you not pay attention to it? How could you not be aware?

HODL (06:29.51)

It's it's worse. Yeah, I think.

CASON (06:31.921)

Well, that's the whole, that's a censorship recursive thing. It's like, we can censor you, bring your attention to it. So like, I'm pretty sure that there have actually been like thousands of people that have been jailed for this at this point in time. But because you can't publicly speak about it in the UK, nobody's aware about it. So they're like, what do mean this stuff is happening? It's like, oh, it's because like we can now memory hole everything because you can't actually talk about it. And this is the kind of first principle of shit that like I find bananas that like people can't like put together being like,

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (06:38.791)

Right.

CASON (07:01.809)

wait a minute, if they like can censor stuff, doesn't that mean that we don't have access to like what the actual information is? Look, whoa, maybe that's like not good. And I like being like, you know, there's like other people who are like way fucking smarter than you or me who like thought about all this shit like hundreds of years ago before like their brain could be rotted by TikTok. So they could really like sit down and like think hard about shit. And it turns out they like figured out like here in the United States, they're like,

HODL (07:14.633)

total.

CASON (07:31.621)

You know, it's like being able to speak openly thing. This is really important, because if we want to be like, fuck the king, that guy sucks, that's kind of a big priority for us to be able to do that. But I don't know, lot of people can't put this shit together, and it's deeply, deeply concerning.

HODL (07:40.425)

.

HODL (07:47.4)

Something you know, I think about quite a bit is You ever heard David Foster Wallace's this is water speech. It's a really good speech I would I would recommend everybody look it up and you know essentially the story is that two fish or two young fish are swimming long and older fish Comes by and goes how's the water today boys and the young fish turns the other one says the fuck is water and so it's like the water in

David Foster Wallace's analogy is the dogma that pervades your life. It's the cultural presuppositions that you've never thought about, you've never had a meta critique or analysis of. You don't even know they're there because they're just so part of your world. And for the British, I think not having free speech is actually baked deeply into their culture because they've never had free speech ever. It's not like they lost it at some point.

You know, one example I've used with British friends over and over again when we're at dinner, I always bring this up and I say, you know, sarcasm, British sarcasm, famous dry humor, is a reaction to you guys not having free speech because you need to be able to say, no, I meant the opposite of what I said. I was being sarcastic. Right. And they go, no, they're just, we're just, I would just British mate, you know, fucking whatever. And it's like, no, no, that it's, it's a, it's a constraint that came up. Americans are funny too.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (09:05.404)

just funnier.

HODL (09:10.963)

But Americans are funny in a way where we can be bold and brash and outright about what we want to say, right? Where you can't do that in England because you always need the trap door, the fallback of, I was just taking the piss. I was just being sarcastic. I meant the ops. I actually meant it. No, I meant it sincerely, or I didn't mean it sincerely, whatever it is. And that's something that's very difficult for British people to see clearly. And in fact, like those in the audience who are British will be upset at me for saying this.

because they usually are, I keep saying it repeatedly because it's important to poke at the invisible fence. In like Jurassic Park, the velociraptors are always testing the fences and they never test the same spot twice. It's important to be doing that in your own life and with your culture and the things that you take for granted. What is the water that is around you? And we have our own in America, so I'm not uniquely putting this on the Brits. I'm just saying that that's an example from their culture.

and part of why this is going on with the draconian anti-speech stuff over there.

CASON (10:10.833)

It's kind of interesting, the fence testing part about, cause like I think a lot of people have never like tried to touch the fence. And so if you're like, that's a fence, they're like, what? No, like I'm, I'm totally free. I can go wherever I want. You're like, so like go over there. And they're like, well, I have no need to go over there. like in theory and practice, like why don't you try that? And it's kind of interesting cause we're like, no, like I don't, I really like it right here. And it's like, hmm, I think you might just be a pussy.

HODL (10:23.303)

Don't touch it, yeah?

HODL (10:34.056)

I don't want to. Yeah.

CASON (10:38.897)

That's also one of the other really despondent things I've realized is that most people are completely cucked pussies. And this is a quote from Julian Assange, but the realization that courage is way more rare than intelligence. When I finally got that, I was like, oh shit, this is super alarming, because you can have smart motherfuckers who are just limp dick pussies that'll just.

bend over the moment that you tell them, I'm gonna fuck you. And like, this happened one way or another. All right, no fight, let's do this. It's like, oh, wow, that was alarming and easy. So yeah, it's very disturbing.

HODL (11:17.916)

I actually think smart people can be more susceptible to cowardice than people who aren't because if you can think about all the potential consequences from taking an action, then you're less likely to take that action. Whereas somebody who's dumber would be like, I'm gonna go fucking do it and see what the fuck happens.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (11:41.885)

Smart people rationalize. Like you can always rationalize your way out of something because you're like, because of X, Y, and Z, this is why, of course, I shouldn't go and do this. Versus like the, it.

CASON (11:52.921)

Well, in addition to the fact that particularly like mid-bell curvers, because I think they're really smart, they're way more susceptible to the social heuristics that are around them where they go, if I say that outlandish thing, I can get canceled. Whereas your right-bell curve and your left-bell curve people, I really like that the right-bell curve people understand that the left-bell curve people are their main ally and that they're like, hey, we'll team up because I'm smart enough to get all of the reasoning of why you're actually right. they're like, huh?

I just feel good. It's like, all right, well, we should do well here together.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (12:27.644)

I think that might be my favorite, like my favorite meme format. if I had like, and that's a tough, that's a tough ask, right? Like if you had to pick one meme format that like, that's the only meme format you can use like the rest of your life. Like that's it, you're locked in. I think that might be it for me. Like it might be the bell curve meme because it just, it hits on so many levels. I don't know. What, like it just feels good.

HODL (12:35.431)

Thank

HODL (12:47.397)

No, it's do you know how many people don't know what the bell curve? Do you know how many people don't know what the bell curve meme is? The average person the midwit on the bell curve has never heard of the bell curve meme That's again back to the dogma that pervades your life. They don't even know what the bell curve meme is Right. Whereas we all use I was talking with Mason one of the young guys from the true north podcast when I was up in Portland

And we were discussing Bitcoin treasury companies. I was giving a take and he was like, I think you're mid-curving it, dude. And I was like, wait, am I mid-curving? And we all do that to each other, right? That's like our way to be like, hey, you're thinking like a normie. The normies have never heard that because to exist in a state of meta analysis about normie-dom breaks, it pops the bubble that is normie-dom. So you can't even think.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (13:21.49)

Yeah.

HODL (13:41.412)

The word normie when you're a normie. That's the dogma that pervades your life.

CASON (13:44.485)

Yeah. Well, or like, nor, nor me isn't like a pejorative to them. They're like, thanks. I'm really normal. Aren't I? Like I, I live in the box. Like I invest in my 401k. It's great. You know, the one that I'm finding the most interesting.

HODL (13:50.886)

What do mean? Of course I'm to want to be doing. Yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (13:51.494)

Yeah, normal, yeah, naturally.

HODL (13:56.154)

Right. Everything's great, dude.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (13:57.437)

The government's totally gonna let me have it when I'm retired, so it's cool. Sorry for having a good time. Sorry for having a good time. Cracking open a Miller latte, just doing it. Sure did. I'm glad that our local sports team beat the other local sports team. Huzzah.

HODL (14:00.294)

I'm sorry I like Taylor Swift in football. I'm sorry. I love it.

CASON (14:03.982)

Yeah. Whoa, that's crazy. it. You, you catch the game last night?

HODL (14:08.997)

That's right.

was sick, Man.

There was this group of young black millionaires and then they advanced the ball against the other group of young black millionaires and it was sick, dude. I fucking, I creamed in my pants, bro. No, it's...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (14:27.656)

It was sweet though, because there were a couple of young white millionaires too and they were seem to be at the center of the formation. It's really strange too. I don't know man. I don't get it. I don't get it.

HODL (14:33.743)

Yeah, it's weird,

CASON (14:34.64)

And then you're like, hey guys, like, isn't fucked up that a bunch of white billionaires own all of the black billionaires that are proceeding to give each other brain damage for your entertainment? no, sorry.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (14:43.62)

It's cool. It's cool now because they're well paid. It's cool.

HODL (14:45.263)

No, dude, that's... Nah, bro, that's... That's not... Shut up, dude. You fucking...

CASON (14:50.512)

Yes.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (14:50.598)

That thought makes me uncomfortable, I don't like that. I'd like to turn off that. No thank you sir.

CASON (14:56.048)

Yeah, I like the uncomfortable shifting when you like bring shit up to people like that. And like, you know, now I've obviously like pigeon myself into like Bitcoin guy land, which is infuriating because anytime it starts, it's always like, Oh, you like crypto? And I'm like, No, the fact that you know no difference between Bitcoin and crypto shows that you know absolutely nothing about either of them. Yeah, I'm sure you have strong opinions about it. And they're like, Well, yeah, it's destroying the environment and all of the water.

HODL (14:59.684)

Yes. Yes.

CASON (15:23.534)

Yeah, that's exactly why they're developing fucking new infrastructure in rural Africa where people have never had access to energy before and they could do it with Bitcoin mining. Same fucking reason why the largest hydro plant in America was saved by Bitcoin mining, because it absolutely destroys the environment, right? But you know so much about how environmentalism is affected by electricity markets, because you clearly have expertise in this, right? Like with such strong opinions about how the electrical markets work, like I'm sure that you understand the difference between like

bass loading otherwise right? And they're like, huh? I'm like, yeah motherfucker. Sorry we're at this point now.

HODL (15:56.838)

I was in a room arguing this exact thing with a group of normies and I basically said, I gave them this long dissertation about flare gas mitigation and how it works and how Bitcoin miners take advantage of this and how they're contributing to lack of emissions in the atmosphere, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the normie audience listened to this entire thing and was like, yeah, but still, bro.

Okay, man, why did I take the time to explain how things work to you? That's I think I think it's like being a normie if we're to you know, it's not like a specific type of person, right? It's it's it's not like if you live in the Midwest and your name is Karen and you're 30 pounds overweight, you're a normie. No, like that's not what it is. Although like probably you probably are a normie. But it's it's a lack of it's it's being fundamentally incurious. That is what it is to be a normie is having no ability to

CASON (16:51.162)

Mm-hmm.

HODL (16:56.428)

You know, have a thought outside of a perceived box of approved thoughts. And then not caring that you've never had an unapproved thought. Just not caring at all. And being like, that's fine, don't know, why would I need to have different thoughts? These thoughts are great. Yeah.

CASON (17:11.472)

I mean, it's the water thing again. Like it's not even a lack of care. It's like, whoa, wait, hang on. Like I can think these things. It's like, why don't you just try like taking on some of it like as a thought experiment in itself. Like one of the ones I find fascinating is asking people to steal man stuff. And they're like, what? And it's like, well, let's just like try on for a minute that like maybe instead of like orange man just being absolutely an evil, troversy and a piece of shit.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (17:30.984)

Hehehehehe

CASON (17:41.252)

that like maybe some people could possibly have some values that for a good reason, they like him. And they're like, you like Trump, don't you? And it's like, no, like I think he's a piece of shit too, but could you see how there could be reasons that someone could like him? And they're like, can I think that? And it's like, yeah, you can. You can actually try on that thought.

and not believe it's true. And they're like, no, no. And it's like, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Like, think about it.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (18:19.048)

It's genuinely so wild, a huge swath of the population does not have that ability at all. It does not have the ability to put themselves in the shoes of another in a meaningful way, in a way that actually would allow them to think different thoughts or just quite literally think thoughts that are not the ones that they've been programmed to think. They literally can't even conceptualize. And that's why it's like you wonder, why is the political discourse as it is in America? It's like...

HODL (18:36.868)

Thank you.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (18:45.48)

Because literally most of the people having this discourse are incapable of even comprehending that the other side may have valid reasons for why they believe what they believe. Even if it's not saying what they believe is right or wrong or anything, it's just that they have reasons. They didn't just come to these. mean, some of them are just programmed with them, but there are also legitimate grievances, right? Why do they have those grievances? What reasons could there be for that? Have you thought about that at all? And just most people just like, no, they're just bad. They must just be evil. They must just be bad people. And if you're talking about communists,

HODL (18:57.539)

again.

HODL (19:09.955)

.

HODL (19:13.621)

Mm-hmm.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (19:15.322)

Yes, that's a pretty good heuristic because and this goes back to Hold on. I was thinking about this today, actually before your vlog and I want to shout out to your vlog now that we're live on air go watch hodl's introductory vlog. It's awesome I liked the mouth part when you got really close in there too. That was nice. Yeah, it was cool. It's I can't tell if it's a big mouth or a little camera Neither. but anyway that shit But I was actually I woke up this morning thinking

HODL (19:31.936)

I put the camera inside my mouth,

CASON (19:39.843)

no.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (19:45.441)

I don't know why but I woke up this morning just being like it is fucked up that communists get away with being communists in this day and age when like nazism is so Absolutely despised now. think nazism is correctly despised I think communism should be despised on that level and then to another degree because it has killed an order of magnitude more people right it's something like what depending on what estimates you look at like

CASON (20:08.303)

But that wasn't real communism though. Like you can't... It was fake communism.

HODL (20:08.651)

Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (20:10.248)

Yeah, no, that was just a sparkling communism. It's only real communism if it's from the communist region of... You're fucked, Stan. I don't know. But I was just thinking about that and you talking, I don't want to give away too much of your vlog because people should watch themselves. But you talking about Nazis and stuff. And the Holocaust, just made me think about...

Again, guys, you should watch HODL's vlog because me saying this out of context sounds bad, but it's not. You guys, it's not what it sounds like. It's not at all what it sounds like. My point being, it is just insane that you can, as a university professor, as part of the intelligentsia, it's totally acceptable for you to be like...

HODL (20:39.712)

It's an I have a neo-nazi blog we praise the Hawkeye

CASON (20:44.681)

my fucking god.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (21:00.23)

Yeah, I'm a communist and I think these communist ideas, I think these are valid or I think socialism, which is just a bridge to communism is a good idea. When this is something that's killed over a hundred million people, like conservatively, since it was first started to be practiced, that's insane that you can have that as your ideology and that people are like, yeah, that's actually a totally, like you're still socially acceptable as a member of our society. In fact, we would love to give you funding.

Can we give you a grant, sir? Because I think that the way you talk is just great. And you've got like the Zoran, whatever his name is, in New York who's just, yeah, just, my God. Did you see the video with him and Warren? Where they're like, they're laughing, they're having just a good time. And it's just like, you sick communist fucks. Like you're disgusting.

HODL (21:36.758)

Mom, Donnie. Yeah.

HODL (21:48.477)

I think you should treat communists the way you would treat a group of individuals who had gathered on the street corner outside your house and were making elaborate plans for how to murder you and your family and then take all of your belongings. And you could hear them in earshot. That's how you should treat communists. But by the way, back to the thing about how people discern reality and this team sport thing where politics are now like, this side, that side, whatever.

I think that when you're young, you have a true false filter, because you need to figure out how the world operates. And so you think to yourself, I see this with my children. Is this true? Is this not true? Are ghosts real? Or are they not? I took my kids to Disney recently. It's like, is this a real mouse? This is a guy in a costume. You have to run that filter when you're a kid. But as you get older, a lot of people, it's back to the incurious part.

Like they shut off that filter and then they replace that filter with an us them filter and the reason they do it is because you know thinking via convention is very easy. It's very easy to think in group because you're outsourcing that thinking and so there's it's no cost to you. Whereas if you're going to spend all of your time thinking like Eric case and spends 99.99 % of his time thinking the other 0.01 % jerking off I assume.

CASON (23:11.778)

I mean, like, you're being generous with the ratios there, but.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (23:14.984)

Hahaha.

HODL (23:15.778)

It's a lot of mental load. it's very... pun intended.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (23:20.604)

Yeah.

HODL (23:23.859)

It just, takes a lot of time and we all know as people who try to engage in thinking that it's extremely difficult and costly and it's painful and it hurts and like, like the scientific process, you're always wrong. So like the, you know, the normie mindset thing is like, I feel like I'm constantly taking off my normie hats and then I take off another normie hat and another normie hat and another normie hat as these truths unveil themselves, as I continue to search for greater and greater truths, you know.

CASON (23:50.223)

Well, it's funny that like we, this kind of returns us all the way back to like Socrates' apology about like, look, like I'm stupid. Like I don't know much about the world or how it works. And like the more that I figure out, like the dumber I feel, particularly like I'm reading Schmidt's political romanticism right now. It's phenomenal. But like as I'm reading it, I'm like, this is really hard to understand and I feel really dumb. But also then like I go out in the world and I encounter these people who are like,

particularly like politicians and investors, like they're just like, I am fucking absolutely certain about this thing. Like I know how the world works and like you don't. And I'm just like, God damn it. Like have that amount of hubris. Like I'm a little jealous. Like I wish I could just like turn off thought and just like fucking bore forward. And the irony is, that like it's that degree of stupidity that actually allows for them to perform so well.

Whereas like if you've actually thought hard enough and long enough about stuff, like there's always this thing where it's like, I could be pretty wrong. So like, really got to like try to position myself and my feet on truth. But yeah, I find it a deeply shocking thing at how confident people will be about how right they are. And furthermore, like that's kind of this heuristic of like, it actually shows how chicken shit and callous they are because like it's really just about saying the shit that people want to hear as opposed to actually creating sincere.

HODL (24:54.335)

Hmm.

CASON (25:12.684)

dialogue with other people and like now that I live in the Bay Area like in the bubble that is liberalism, it's pretty interesting at how often that like because I obviously don't ascribe to contemporary political theory but so like it really throws people for a loop when like I don't necessarily subscribe to their liberal beliefs but I'm like like I'm an anarchist and they go wait hang on and I'm like it like one of the things I like I keep coming back to is that like you know obviously like

like your body, your choice. Absolutely. So like when I want to do heroin, like I really hope that you're not going to stop me and be like in solidarity. And they're like, what? And I'm like, yeah, like if it's my body, my choice, like we should be able to do whatever drugs you want, whenever we want. And like, nobody should stop us. Actually, like we should probably get the state to like sponsor drug programs in different ways and like needle exchange and shit. Cause like that's what we want the state to do, right? And they're like, yes. I'm like furthermore like.

HODL (26:06.431)

you

CASON (26:09.536)

my body, choice, like I should be like, if I want to modify it with like a grenade launcher as my arm, like we should be able to do that. No, like hang on. Like I'm not certain about that. But for me, like I just like them. I like to try to like murky the water as much as I can. Cause like, I don't know the right answer, but I'm pretty sure that like how confident you are that your answer is right, like isn't true. So like, let's just murky this shit up and like make it as confusing as possible. They don't like that.

HODL (26:23.113)

Thanks.

HODL (26:34.495)

I like to do I like to do a similar thing where I data dump as a to online person I like to data dump online meme culture on to normies in real life where I'll just you know, they'll just be like, you know, how's the weather and I'd be like, oh, it's great, man. Did you catch the thing between Fuentes and Carlson and Candace Owens and there's a whole thing about like he's a he's a fucking anti semi but like they're like, you know, you might be CIA and there's like a whole thing here and blah, blah, blah. And the normies are just like

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (26:34.921)

Well that's the thing.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (26:44.393)

It's savage of you.

HODL (27:04.095)

I don't know what you're talking about.

CASON (27:07.832)

Well, it's also threatening to realize like how much, like I feel really lucky that like I'm like working at Presidio Bitcoin and like I'm surrounded by Bitcoiners, which is like this great heuristic filter for like pretty intelligent people. But then I like go back and interact in Normieland and I'm like, shit, like we're like a few standard deviations out of the field of like what normal conversation can be had. And it's just really unfortunate because I realized like how much you really have to like watershed way down.

And so it's disturbing that like, I keep repeatedly getting in the conversation where we have to like, begin at like, okay, you like don't know the difference between Bitcoin and crypto, but like, you're convinced I'm a crypto bro, despite the fact that I tell you it's not. And it's always just fun that I'm like, I literally wrote a book about this because I got so fucking sick of explaining this over and over. And then they're like, can I read the book? I'm like, yeah, but it's gonna be a little advanced for you, so.

HODL (27:55.902)

.

HODL (28:01.939)

You know, for the first time in my life, I'm starting to understand the French. You know, the French hate it when you try and speak their language. like, let's just speak your stupid language. Don't speak our language. Right. I'm having the same experience when people ask me about Bitcoin stuff. It's like, I'd rather just not talk about it these days. Whereas like all of us are going like deeper and deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. And we're like egging each other on to go even deeper. And it's like, you're thinking like a midway, you're thinking like a normie. I am. shit, I should go even deeper. What's the deeper, like, how do I go here? You know.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (28:09.779)

your dirty tongue.

HODL (28:32.274)

Whereas when you talk to your whoever in real life, even if they do have a piece of information, it's like a chimpanzee with a handgun where they're like, yeah, no, know about warm wallets. you're like, okay, enough, You just, you shot me with your bad piece of information.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (28:43.785)

Stop it. It's so cute. It's so cute when you try.

CASON (28:49.421)

The one that fascinates me is like, again, here we are at an all time high where people had fucking listened on the last podcast that we did together. They would have like made money, but like, no, like we have to do this whole fucking cycle again. And I'm just, I'm just infuriated at like, at what price point do you like take me seriously? Like, like how, like where is it where you stop and go, you know, like maybe I'm just retarded and these guys actually know what's better than me. And like maybe I should try to listen to them, but yeah, it's never.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (28:49.469)

What is it?

HODL (29:10.184)

Never, never.

CASON (29:18.413)

And like it's infuriating and also like there's something quite poetic about it as well is that like they're engaged in this form of life where they're like, oh, like I want to escape the slavery that is my nine to five. And like, I wish I wasn't constantly fighting inflation that everyone's so expensive. Like the whole shebang. And it's like, I have a very simple answer for you. And they're like, no, like what would you ever know about that? And it's like.

Well, like, I'm not in the slave camps with you and like I can kind of do whatever the fuck I want. And they're like, well, you got lucky. And it's like, uh-huh. So best of luck with you. Like I'm going to go enjoy my life. Like have fun getting up at 630 to like drive through traffic to like get to the job that you fucking hate.

HODL (30:01.938)

What? know the-

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (30:04.211)

just so know, case and I think we're up like we're up maybe like $30,000 per coin since the last time you told people they were fucking retards for not listening to you the time before that from which we were like, up I don't know how much I know like, yeah, so like your advice has continued to prove sound and I hope that people will listen like it's a really simple thing to do.

HODL (30:13.416)

Mm-hmm.

HODL (30:21.758)

This is one of the most frustrating things because, back to the true-false heuristic, one of the things I thought when I got into investing in general, even before Bitcoin, is I was like, okay, at least in investing world, there's a scoreboard for how right I was. So was like, at least people will see the scoreboard and be like, there's a number behind how right this guy was. nobody looks at the scoreboard. They don't care.

They don't view you as right. What they do is they all just put their head in the sand and pretend that first of all, you never told them what you said. Number one, you never told me that. I never watched that podcast. don't even know who Eric Kasin is. Nope. Yeah, Eric Kasin has been my next door neighbor for 10 years, but I've never talked to him. I don't even know that. I don't even know that man. Right. And then like, yeah, you're my brother, but I've never spoken to you. We have nothing in common. This is how the norming mind.

It will do whatever it takes in order to protect itself from, you know, the truth, from reality, essentially. And, we're just, we're never gonna get it, man. No one's ever gonna come back and say, you were right. Never, never.

CASON (31:25.933)

This reminds me of...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (31:26.057)

Do, do, I was just.

CASON (31:31.982)

I know and it's never happened. I finally accepted that all never happened. It's funny because this reminds me of like my dad and his friends had like an investing club for a while and like they like you know at the beginning I'm obviously like oh like you guys should buy Bitcoin like that's obviously like the right answer. I'm like oh no too written about like all the bullshit. And it was great because like when they would like I'd like kind of check in with them every six months and be like oh hey guys like let's see like the Bitcoin investment I told you guys about is up 250%. What how are you guys doing? Like what's

Like, you guys are up 15%. Whoa, like good job guys. Like I'll check back in next time. Come back. And it's like, okay, so we're like up 600 % over here. you're 25%. Whoa guys. Like you're going to retire a couple months early. did you, you guys factored in inflate? you didn't factor in inflation.

HODL (32:07.408)

Good for you.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (32:09.958)

Wow.

CASON (32:30.541)

Oh, well shit on the CPI index, you guys are actually down 12%. Yeah, what do I know? Like I'm just a Bitcoin guy, right? Like I couldn't know anything about finance, right? Like I don't even have a 401k because like why would I want to have the thing that is going to ultimately lose 30 % of its value because the government's going to be stealing from you. And then if you try to take any money out early because there's a crisis that happens, the government's going to steal half of it. But you know, what could I know? Anyway, so you guys have fun.

HODL (32:49.212)

Thank

CASON (33:00.041)

I don't know, just like, it's just frustrating because I realized like I'm locked in a world with a bunch of idiots who believe that they're way smarter than me and I'm just finally gotten to the place where it's like have fucking fun. Yeah, like you're definitely way smarter than me. You you get up real early, go to that job that you really don't like, you're stressed all the time, you're doing all the normie stuff, trying to perform to these other people's standards, like sounds really great. You sound like a really, really happy person. So good luck. And I'm going to be miserable over here with my magic internet money. So.

HODL (33:24.166)

Well, it's.

It's like, it's like, it's like children. It's like having children. It's like when you tell your child, like, don't touch that. And they're like, and then they get hurt. And then you're like, I, this is what was going to happen. This was all, you know, yeah. I, you I hang out on like on Bitcoin clubhouse and we just like talk the most insane shit about like political theory or the markets. And like, it's like constant like dick jokes. It's like a combination of like,

CNBC on LSD plus like Howard Stern plus like the Joe Rogan podcast or some shit, right? And I have no Way to contextualize this for normies. So I just say it's my investor group. I'm talking to my investor

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (34:10.461)

Wait, so like, think, was it you that you, was it you that posted about this like recently where you're like, yeah, we're still like hanging out on Clubhouse. And I was like, I thought for some reason, I thought that Clubhouse like as an app had like shut down or people like, like it is still alive and well.

CASON (34:11.197)

Go!

HODL (34:23.119)

No, no, it's like Bitcoin's water cooler. When you go on spaces, like Twitter spaces, it's horribly gay. the reason why, yeah, it's like a conference where everybody's like, well, I wasn't done speaking. Well, I wasn't done speaking. like, how about shut the fuck up? None of us care about any of you or what you have to say, right? And so, yeah, yeah. So Clubhouse is like.

CASON (34:32.332)

Ugh.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (34:33.125)

It's so worst, just the worst.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (34:43.838)

It's like Bitcoin-LinkedIn. know, like it's like, it's like, God. Disgusting.

HODL (34:49.723)

Clubhouse is like the bar at the conference where we would just be like, yeah, cool talk. was fucking, it sucked. I hated it. know? Like, we have a different culture over there where we just like talk mad shit all the time. It's very fun. But honestly, it's my own special thing, so don't come over. I don't want any of guys. All right, don't come. Don't come.

CASON (34:58.028)

No.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (35:06.505)

I don't want to be over there. I went and creeped on Clubhouse. Yeah, I'm not going to, dude. In fact, I'm going to figure out a way to shut it down so you can't have nice things, just so you know. It's over for you. I'm going to get the British government involved.

CASON (35:17.707)

Alright.

HODL (35:18.277)

By the way, should we talk about the... Should we talk about the pseudification of Bitcoin? Like, you know, the Twitter space's link-in-ification of like what's going on where everybody's like...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (35:24.233)

Yeah, let's talk about it.

CASON (35:27.2)

man, like I, it's, it's difficult cause the thing I hate the most is like somebody comes in pretty based with like some cool shit. Like, I like this person. I like what they're doing. And then they're like, like I got my Bitcoin treasury company now. you, like you, number go up forever. It's just like, God damn it. Like why, like this is why we can't have nice things. Like, no, no, you don't understand like.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (35:29.395)

Just a bunch of low-tees with orange ties.

HODL (35:29.692)

Is it bumming you out?

CASON (35:55.091)

We own the Bitcoin and the number go up.

HODL (36:01.819)

Then it's it's yep

CASON (36:02.282)

Right? I'm like, guys, like there's so like, like you're like, you're least holding your Bitcoin, right? They're like, yes, for sure. Like we hold all of our iBit. I'm like, no, that's, that's something else. They're like, no, it's Bitcoin. You're like, no, it's not. Yes, it is. Do you want fight about this, bro? It's Bitcoin. And I'm like,

HODL (36:14.779)

you

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (36:15.251)

Yeah.

HODL (36:26.939)

Dude.

CASON (36:28.02)

Look, it's a synthetic derivative of Bitcoin, which means that it's not Bitcoin. They're like, but you just said it's Bitcoin. I'm like, God damn it. We can't have this conversation. You're too fucking stupid. You're stupid. I'm like, I own a Bitcoin treasure. Like how many Bitcoins do you have? I'm like, that's my fucking point. I actually own Bitcoin. You don't. You own this other thing. You just said that I was right. I own the Bitcoin. I'm like, God damn it. Okay. You win. You win. Bitcoin goes up forever.

HODL (36:43.621)

Bye.

HODL (36:54.97)

Boom.

CASON (36:56.31)

There's no problem with your investment scheme. You're just gonna get rich and see our world. It just goes to $10 million, but everything's normal. It's not like this affects hyperinflation and your company's totally fine. And it's not like the US government shows up to steal all your fucking Bitcoin because you obviously own the Bitcoin, right? So yeah. I'm like, fuck. Fine, we can't have nice things.

HODL (37:15.364)

Dude, I own and participate in a little bit of Bitcoin treasury shit. Like I do do a little bit of Bitcoin treasury shit. I'm not gonna lie, say I don't. I do. But Bitcoin treasury companies are literally, you send me one Bitcoin, I send you two back. That's literally what they are. like,

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (37:15.73)

You

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (37:21.329)

I fucking love you, Kacen.

CASON (37:23.456)

Thank you, I love you too.

HODL (37:41.838)

The nationalization risk for MSTR especially is sky high. And in fact, sometimes I look at my retirement account and just think to myself, am I stacking Bitcoin for the US government? Like, is that what I'm doing? Am I lending my capital so that the US government can ultimately like nationalize this hoard of Bitcoin at some point in the future? And I think the answer might be yes, you know.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (38:06.845)

But like, is everybody with a 401k, basically like everybody, like, okay, so like I have a 401k that I had from my Times Accenture consultant, you know, for a little while. And then I just stopped contributing to one after that. But then I found it again and threw what was in there into MSTR.

HODL (38:07.992)

Pack great.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (38:27.113)

And like that did well because it it turns out that my whatever Vanguard target 55 retirement thing was like just not even keeping pace with inflation. And I finally paid attention to this account again. I was like, that's that's a stupid thing to do. like I've always viewed retirement accounts as like, boy, that is like that is just the easiest honey pot for the U.S. government to siphon stuff like siphon bits off of when they when they need to. And like you may say like, well, like

HODL (38:27.577)

Hell yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (38:54.003)

You know, they would never do that. It's like, really? They'd never do like they'd never they would never change the rules because they made serious miscalculations as far as demographic shifts and like our social security, you know, Ponzi scheme is completely insolvent and like, you know, I don't know, our national debt is completely unsustainable. They would never change the rules. Like really? OK. And it's like, no, everything's totally fine. But like, so, yeah, my point being that like you might be stacking Bitcoin.

CASON (39:14.663)

Yeah, they never would. And it's like...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (39:23.645)

for the US government through a proxy, but everybody is also just stacking, know, stacking fiat for the US government through that retirement account as well. like, you know, it's, everyone's in the same boat there, but I'm curious. Okay, so look, go ahead, go ahead.

HODL (39:24.633)

So,

CASON (39:35.692)

I mean, I love, I just wanted to comment on like, I just love the ultimate game theory that comes down to it. It's like, look, if you're too retarded to like play out a full game theory and that like you only got that far, like, congratulations, like you lose and like anybody who's actually smart enough to get what's going on is like, oh shit, like nationalization is like a real risk at this point in time because like, obviously like we can't ever pay off the debt and obviously like.

Like anybody who has like a full brain like does that process and like, like that's why like that's why Bitcoin is what it is and how it exists. And like, don't know. It's just really amazing to me that like people get like to 90 % and they're just like full stop. And it's like, hey, hold up. Like that's like not the full equation. They're like, but number go up. And like, I have more money. Like life is incredible. And it's like, yeah, but like what happens if the state decides that they want to take that? And then they're just like,

HODL (40:12.16)

Okay.

CASON (40:32.587)

That would never happen. And it's like, but what if it did? like, but it won't. And I'm like, yeah, but in a hypothetical situation, if that were to happen, what happens? They're like, but it won't. And I'm like, God fucking dammit. I'm trying to get you to do a hypothetical. And they're like, look, like I don't know about hypotheo whatever. Like I just know I'm making a bunch of money and you're not. So who's right here? And I'm like, fine, you fucking win. Don't talk to me ever again.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (40:47.145)

We're mid-curving again, you know?

HODL (41:01.37)

Well There there are some like okay, so there's some positives of Treasury companies, right? I think one of the positives is that For years we've been telling people to buy Bitcoin and they just straight-up fucking didn't and they never will and they never are going to and like Every now once Bitcoin crossed a hundred K essentially everybody realized that shit bitcoins real it's gonna happen. It's going to million stars coin

But for some reason, they all have the normie mental block where they believe that even though this story is happening, they're not going to be participants in the story. But many of them have pensions. Many of them have 401ks. Many of them are invested in the S &P 500, the NASDAQ, et cetera. And, you know, from a passive indexation standpoint, Bitcoin is now making its way into the traditional markets. And so they are going to get Bitcoin exposure. They're not going to get actual Bitcoin. They're not going to have sovereign level Bitcoin. They're not going have the digital

you know, monetary nuclear weapon grade Bitcoin that you have, but they're going to have exposure to Bitcoin's price appreciation. Okay. Because they have exposure to Bitcoin's price appreciation, we get a broader alignment with them, these people that we've been trying to, you know, lead these horses to water and can't make them drink for now 15, 16 years. We get broader alignment where they don't want to pull out the pitchforks and stab us to death and take all our shit. So that's good. The other thing that's happening is, you know, the SBR, right, which is

you know, potentially it's going to happen. Lemons has a bill. There's a way they can do it via executive order, but the legal theory is novel, blah, blah, blah. And so like that's again, a broader alignment of our interest with the state interests. I know like, you know, Eric wants to have a fight with the state where they gulag him and you know, he's like, he screams libertas and then they chop his head off. But I would like for Eric to live. And I think that, I think, I think that our broad alignment

CASON (42:41.439)

Hehehehehe

CASON (42:48.235)

man.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (42:49.353)

Don't threaten him with a good time, you know?

HODL (42:53.429)

our broad alignment between the public and the state can actually, we can create like a life raft for everyone and we can basically save everyone who lives around us in America, at least we can't save the world, but we can save the other Americans. And I think that's.

CASON (43:10.167)

I can save the world. got a plan here. Don't worry. It's Bitcoin communism. I'm going to do that. It's going to be great.

HODL (43:12.815)

I think that that's something that would make...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (43:16.912)

here we go.

HODL (43:17.43)

It'll make our lives better if we have broader alignment with people. And so that is the silver lining to the treasury companies and the nation states, et cetera. But again, if you're giving up control of your keys, you're not operating a sovereign level. And I don't know if you're going to be defensible for the times that are coming ahead, because there are many, many paths here where things could go horribly wrong. The path I'm outlining is a pretty good path where like the monetary changeover

happens and we are able to backdoor exposure into almost every American's life.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (43:53.15)

mean, so like, there's a couple of things there. Like, yeah, on the one hand, I'm like, I completely agree with you. I also think like treasury companies, nation state adoption, all of that is, was always going to be inevitable if Bitcoin is successful. Like that, of course, like you would have to be like, literally retarded not to do that as a nation state or a company, if Bitcoin is the, you know, is successful and is in the process of hyper Bitcoinization. So that's good, that's going to happen.

HODL (43:53.408)

So we'll see.

HODL (44:06.836)

Right. Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (44:22.217)

Now, like whether or not that's good or bad, I agree with your point in alignment. And it's kind of like the forget, I don't know you said this, but basically like, know, like we're still Trojan horsing them and we just have to like shut up about it a little bit. Like we just need to like we're inside. Like they brought us inside the gates, just like everybody like just like stop arguing with each other. Like just shut the fuck up. Like we're in the horse right now. Like everyone's about to go to sleep. Don't wake them up. And I feel that what I'm you know, I think like

And like I have a little bit of exposure to like a couple of treasury companies like just for fun like that. That's my like that's my shit coining right now. You know, it's like, like this is like this is like my you know, my Vegas baby. It's like I'll take I'll take I'll take a couple of cockpucks and and and gamble on these. I've also I think people people. Yeah, it's like, like, let's just let's go crazy like I but I'm full. I'm full well. But like my goal is to get more Bitcoin. Like I said, well, I wanted to clarify my goal is to get more Bitcoin.

HODL (45:05.214)

It's why it's why more we live we live in why more that's of course you would do that. Yeah, we live in why more

CASON (45:09.386)

I love that like the Bitcoin the Bitcoin treasury argument is becoming was that

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (45:18.931)

I'm probably going to fail, but like it's a reminder, like my goal is to trade that for more Bitcoin. Now am like 99 % sure going to fail and that's why it's a de minimis amount for me. But like, yeah. But like, I think what a lot of people are not acknowledging, obviously because they're trying to sell equity, is that

CASON (45:29.606)

SBRs are like safe needles. It's like, look, if you're gonna do drugs, like let's make sure that you're not gonna get HIV.

HODL (45:37.59)

It's harm reduction shit corner, yeah.

CASON (45:40.194)

Yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (45:46.984)

Like the majority of the treasury companies are going to underperform Bitcoin like over a couple of years like they might outperform Bitcoin for like a month, but they're going to underperform Bitcoin like as soon as that time horizon gets stretched even a little bit and like micro strategy. I've been putting that in like a that's its own category, right? Like that's that's obviously a completely different player. The rest of them. I would say maybe there's like there's going to be a few that outperform Bitcoin over like a four year cycle.

HODL (45:52.768)

Yes.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (46:17.181)

I don't think it's going to be that many.

CASON (46:17.674)

But like, what about a 40 year cycle? Like that, that's always my question is like, what's your time horizon? Because like, yeah, you like make a bunch of money, but then the problem is, that like, we get 6102 and now like your money is like this surveilled thing that like has liquidity stops on it to where it's like, yeah, like I own like $30 billion. But the problem is, is like a carton of eggs is a million dollars and I'm only allowed to withdraw $10 million a month, which should be clear.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (46:23.709)

Yeah, yeah.

CASON (46:47.53)

$10 million has the purchasing power of like 50 bucks right now. And like, it's super obvious to me that like this is the play and it's gonna work super well. Cause it's like, we're gonna get CBDCs, which is like a private public partnership where it's like, no, like the government could never ever be able to have a CBDC cause we have JP Morgan and Citibank coin. And like, they're like interoperable because of all of this really great technology. And like, we don't hate you at all. We're like giving you $503 a month.

HODL (47:08.275)

Yeah. Yes, exactly.

CASON (47:18.368)

but like you said the word Nazi on the internet. So actually you don't, you don't get any money unless like you're going to do your online reeducation course, which like that's going to be some dystopian shit where it's like, all right, got to give us full access to like root your computer. And like, now you need to be watched. Like, you looked away because your child was set on fire. Like, you don't get any money in that. Like we're going into like some, some really fucking crazy dark shit. And most people are just going to swallow that right up and be like,

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (47:39.91)

and

HODL (47:43.65)

Yeah. Yeah.

CASON (47:48.011)

You know, the government loves us and they gave us $500. I'm like, didn't, did they put your grandpa into the reeducation camp so that he wouldn't say those, those Matt, not so nice things about the Brown people anymore? It's like, yeah, but to be fair, grandpa was really racist. Be like, yeah, all of our grandpas were really racist. That's just kind of how the world worked at one point in time. And like, while it wasn't okay, it was also nice for us to learn that like,

HODL (48:04.817)

Okay.

CASON (48:14.59)

Hey, like these racist things aren't fair or kind to them. And like, now we have a more fair and balanced view. But now because we can't actually hear grandpa's racist things, people just go out into the forest and they actually get in clue click clean outfits and like think really horrible, terrible things because you can't just let them have the outlet to say this fucked up stuff in public and have other people be like, Hey, that wasn't very nice or thoughtful of you. Maybe there's brown people that are good too. You know, like to me, that's the craziest thing is that like, there doesn't seem to be any logical imperative where people

Like people legitimately just think like, it's always bad that people say these things. And it's like, you realize that like in the 1960s, Nazis literally marched through Jewish neighborhoods of people that survived the Holocaust. And the motherfucker who stood up and was like, these dudes did the doing, was a dude who survived the fucking Holocaust. And he defended them in front of the fucking Supreme Court and he fucking won. Because they realized that it's important to actually have sincere and legitimate dialogue with

HODL (49:08.372)

So,

CASON (49:14.054)

opinions that people don't agree about even when they're rehensible and disgusting ideas. And it just blows my fucking mind that somehow we've gotten to this absolute reductionist culture where people are so fucking cucked and linked dick that they can't even shove it in the hole to get anything done anymore. It's fucking wild. But you know, welcome to fucking 2025 guys. I got a pee and get a beer so.

HODL (49:38.708)

Okay.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (49:39.175)

Yeah, that's cool, man. I'm just going to say that, you you're right on track on the rant train, Gason. You you're you're bringing the heat right now. I'm into it. Go drain that main vein.

CASON (49:51.298)

I'm really, I want to clarify for people, like, I'm like really happy in my life right now. Like shit's like going really well for me. I'm not like an angry person. just, I'm just really frustrated. Like we have Bitcoin. It's successful. The nation state can't stop us. Like if you motherfuckers could actually think for yourselves instead of listening to these fucking pieces of shit on MSNBC who fucking hate you and want to make sure that you stay in the box, you could actually free yourself from this. Like you could, the other one that-

HODL (50:04.275)

Okay.

CASON (50:18.377)

that blows my fucking mind is because people have no understanding of this at all. And they're like, man, I'm poor. And I hate that like the government's constantly stealing fucking money from me despite that I'm poor. And I have this like small business. like, hey, you could like accept Bitcoin. And you could you could not tell the government. You like you don't have you don't have to pay them if you don't you don't tell them and you're using something like pay join. But you could you could do that and you'd like save money. And they're like, but but if if we keep our

the government from stealing our money? Like who will build the roads? I'm like, awww. God damn it. Exactly. Alright, I'm gonna pee my pants. on.

HODL (50:51.523)

Who will steal our money? Who will steal our money then? Dude, another one, speaking about stealing money and the system we're going into and what's coming and all that is Eric's right about the stable coins. They're going to say it's not a CBDC, but it's going to be a

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (50:53.482)

Yeah

HODL (51:08.924)

CBDC it's just going to be controlled by an oligarchy of you know bankers like Jamie Dimon And there's also this now this new push to They've realized that you know, you can expand us hedge of money with stable coins, right? But there's another thing I think everybody gets that that's obvious but there's another thing that you can do as well, which is You can okay. So every ten years give or take eight or nine years

CASON (51:20.969)

They realize.

HODL (51:37.105)

Global M2 expands by 2X, right? I think I'm pretty confident about this that they're not going to be counting stable coins in the global M2 metrics. So if you go forward with this proliferation of new stables and then you run the same, you know, M2 inflation rate that you're used to, you could actually see a world where over let's let's imagine a world over the next 10 years where Bitcoin goes to, I don't know, five million dollars.

or something like that. Like it goes crazy high. And stable coins proliferate broadly. And there's trillions of dollars of stable coin usage out there in the broader world, right?

I think you might see a world in which global M2 has risen 2x just like normal. And when you check in on it, you go, okay, everything seems to be, you know, as, it usually is. But the stable coin proliferation is like a surreptitious global M2 expansion that actually ran global M2 at something closer to like 10x or 5x. Right. And so I think that's the world that we're headed into here.

And, know, again, it all comes, all the roads lead to Rome. Like it all comes back to Bitcoin and it's like, you know, the, the best thing that you can possibly do is to have Bitcoin in order to protect yourself from what's coming. But these new tools that the government has access to, like stable coins are going to allow them to do things that are just straight up evil. they're, they're, know, globe, like inflation is, is global taxation without representation, right? Because we're taxing every.

country and economy that's dollar eyes and we're taxing all euro dollar holders and we're taxing American dollar holders and basically everybody that has dollar exposure across the globe. And so this system that I'm describing is like, you know, extreme taxation without representation at a global level. And I think that we're going to see that happen. And so the best, again, the best way to protect yourself is to have Bitcoin. like, I don't think the average person knows what's about to befall them.

HODL (53:41.293)

And it goes back to this thing about like, wish I could shake them awake, but I can't. And so maybe one of the best things to do is embed Bitcoin in the public markets, which is happening. So I don't know. Maybe they're going to be saved just by sheer dumb luck. know, the market's efficient, right? Like passive indexation always wins. Maybe they'll be saved by that. I don't know.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (53:58.589)

no.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (54:03.434)

Yeah, it's it's tricky, right? Because like, okay, the state there's a lot to unpack their huddle. Okay, where to start? First of all, one thing that I think is interesting, like a case into your earlier point about like, okay, if bitcoins at whatever super high millions, you know, multimillion amount, then you know, like, what is a million dollars worth, you know, etc, etc. Like, I see that. But I think Bitcoin also has so much of the existing like, present day denominated

CASON (54:22.728)

you

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (54:32.532)

global wealth to cannibalize first before like, yeah, it may be true that like later that when Bitcoin's at, I don't know, 50 million a coin, that like, yeah, 50 million doesn't buy what it used to. But like also the market is different at that point, right? But like right now it's like, we still have what, 10X to go before we cannibalize gold, right? Like roughly 10X, yeah. And so like, I feel like that's like a low bar.

CASON (54:54.854)

that yeah.

HODL (54:59.8)

Thank you.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (55:01.062)

That's like a low bar for Bitcoin recapitalizing the world. Is it 20? It's okay.

CASON (55:03.9)

I think it's 20.

I think it's 20X for gold and I think it's 200X for real estate.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (55:11.74)

Okay, and yeah, either way bitcoins like two trillion and we've got a thousand trillion in global wealth like roughly right so it's like We're so fucking early from that perspective that it's like well Yeah, this thing's got so much room to run just in the existing fiat denominated system It's gonna get obviously like they're going to debase like that. We know that they're going to debase to your point hodl and like you know, maybe having some passive exposure to like

CASON (55:25.672)

Okay.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (55:40.725)

to MSTR or having an iBit that you're passively exposed to or whatever, you maybe it's Fidelity's Bitcoin ETF or whoever's Bitcoin ETF. Like, that's gonna be great for like the average person who still is gonna ignore Bitcoin for the next like, ignore real spot Bitcoin for like the next 20 years still, because they're just for whatever reason, just not going to, because you can lead a horse to water and you can beat it in the head repeatedly, but you can't make that stupid son of a bitch drink, right? But I don't know.

HODL (55:58.193)

Yeah.

CASON (56:06.056)

Well, we're like, we're just speed running the entire development of finance from the 15th century in like 50 years. So like we're just 10x accelerating everything. And so to me, the, what, what sailors seems to be the champion of, and he's pioneering is like, we're going to see the corporatization of Bitcoin and making synthetic financial products. And like the, the real winner is the person who actually figures out like,

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (56:13.322)

Hmm.

CASON (56:32.732)

how do you create a global debt market that is based on Bitcoin that truly actually has synthetic free interest rates that essentially you get a conglomeration of treasury companies that essentially set a Bitcoin LIBOR kind of rate thing. And furthermore, how do you get all the things like repo markets and swaps and other things that are built on actual Bitcoin standard? And that thing...

Like once you have that, like now we can suck up the extra $200 trillion of like global debt markets like into that. And it's a relatively smooth transition. like at the end of the day, like everything's good for Bitcoin. And so like, yeah, like a bunch of people are going to get absolutely hammer fucked when it comes to being 61 or two and like losing a ton of their money. But the hilarious thing is like the dudes who don't have that happen, like their Bitcoin is going to be worth so much more in addition to like, they're going to be able to do a bunch of other shit with that.

And very similar to like, like when, like when the Medici family essentially discovered like, like we can do this like double entry accounting thing and like figure out like what the fuck is going on and then like build debt around it. Like it's just retarded amounts of money that are so large that like, you get to start getting people that are building things that are actually good for humanity because like they just have so much money. That's sort of like the last thing that's left to do. And it's kind of interesting that like,

HODL (57:33.488)

So,

CASON (57:57.001)

When people start getting really rich, like it turns out that like you can like go play and like do all the things that you want to and if you're not just like an absolute travesty piece of shit human, you like do that for a little bit and then you realize like, like there's this giant hole in my heart where like I want to actually do something like reasonable, important for my children. So like, I'm going to go do that now because like I'm free to do that. And like people that don't like they will perpetually suck to infinity and like that's just what they do.

And the most interesting and ironic thing is, is because there's this value realignment that Bitcoiners on a whole tend to have because of how and why they're investing in Bitcoin. They seem to get that much more than other people. like ultimately again, everything's good for Bitcoin. This like ultimately aligns with my own philosophical approach of that like, to me all that Bitcoin really is, is like it's the fruition of philosophy and the entirety of history coming together. And like, that's why cryptography is at the bottom of it. It's not cause like,

HODL (58:37.647)

Thank

CASON (58:55.452)

We're like nerds that like fun math puzzles. Like, no, there's like actually like a 20th century about communism where like 100 million people are literally murdered for their property. So like, it actually turns out that like owning property is actually like within the sphere and feeder of war itself. And ergo, like protecting your property with cryptography is really, really important because otherwise people would just murder you and take it as the 20th century told us.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (59:22.09)

Do think we have to fight another world war or are we already in the midst of another world war like before we get to the end game? is that necessary part of what happens next or is there a way to avoid that?

HODL (59:36.407)

Marshall, Marshall McLuhan, the father of information theory said that World War Three is a nonstop guerrilla information war with no division or distinction between civilian and military participation. That is what we live in right now. It's happening. You're in World War Three. This is World War Three.

CASON (59:36.712)

Well, like, it's a...

CASON (59:58.342)

Yeah, it's a very Klauswitzian thing. That's also like the, like, where's the delineation between politics and war at? And like, isn't politics just war by another means? I'm like, isn't that war something that's already being carried out? And like, isn't like it, like that's, that's essentially why and how we have this highly interdependent global system with like an internet where like, we're all in different places, hundreds of miles away from each other, able to do this.

And like that in and of itself is a feature of this territory. And to me, like, this is one of the mind boggling things I keep coming back to is that like the internet itself obviously is like not a political in any way, or form, but because of the sort of informational hyperwar that we live within, like people can't seem to like link the two together to be like, huh, like maybe this thing that like 6 billion people around the world are on and like interact with every day and have more importance than the nation state itself. Like

maybe we could use this thing to make a new form of the political, like T, capital P, very similar to the American ideology of, hey, it turns out maybe we should get to vote on how and why our system of governance works. And maybe there should be strong parameters and delineations of how powerful the nation state could be. And that's one of the things that I have a massive boner about, Noster and Bitcoin and all these things, is that we're no longer

asking for permission, we're just building these tools that you fundamentally can't violate in any way. So we can go say whatever the fuck we want on Noster and you can't censor me. If I want to send money to Palestinian dissidents right now, I can just fucking do that. If I would like to help smuggle people out of North Korea, I can send the money off to the people in China to help me do that. And you can't fucking stop me. you don't like it? Too bad. you'd like a state of emergency to violate me?

HODL (01:01:37.914)

Thank you.

CASON (01:01:51.718)

You can't. Unlike that, people have very little appreciation for how radically removed that is from contemporary politics.

HODL (01:01:52.999)

Right.

HODL (01:02:00.757)

I... Good. What? Okay. Well, I was just going to say that, lately I've been thinking a lot about the Gen Z political sphere. And the Gen Z political sphere, for those who don't keep track of it, is what I would describe as bat shit insane. So the Gen Zs are...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:02:01.066)

I have a question for both. Well, go ahead, because I'm going to slightly diverge us into a tangent of what Eric said.

HODL (01:02:30.249)

either in this far right sort of Nick Fuentes thing, anti-Semitic, old school racism, like, you know, this, this sort of direction, or they're in the opposite. Luigi Mangione is a saint, you know, communist populism. And there's, there's a growing desire for violence on both sides. And I think that the, the reasons for this are

You know, we could spend an entire podcast talking about them. But what's interesting from our perspective, I think as Bitcoiners is that Bitcoin is going to do what it's going to do. It's going to go to millions of dollars a coin. We're going to be the capital of the new world order. And as the capital stack, we sit on a meta layer above the political stack and we get to pick and choose winners. So I think it's important to keep abreast of what's going on in the political sphere.

so that you can know what type of things you might want to back and what type of things you would like to steer clear of. I think that's the thing that Bitcoiners need to think about more and more. Right now we're sort of single issue voters. Like we came to the Donald Trump administration with just like, we like Bitcoin. And then Donald Trump was like, you like Bitcoin, buy my shitcoin, Trump coin bitch.

And we were like, okay, whatever. Like that's fine as long as we just leave us alone, please, for the love of God. And so, you but we're like, you ever see the Incredibles where like the baby Jack-Jack has like incredible powers, but he can't control them. We are a super powerful political baby. Where like we just rose up on this first go round and we were like, shit, we can just laser everybody in the room. Like everyone's dead now. We win, right?

I think, I think like as, as we go, as we go forward, we're going to like be able to flesh out our full potential as a political entity on a global stage and say, what is the global reordering? Right? What does it actually look like? What's acceptable in the political economy? What's not? What are the types of projects we're gearing towards? What are we not gearing towards?

CASON (01:04:25.863)

What do we about these dead bodies though?

HODL (01:04:50.816)

And I'm not saying that we get to be like the sole arbiters of this sort of thing as some sort of robber barons of the new digital age. But I'm saying that like, you know, Bitcoin is a unique phenomenon in that it made a bunch of culture warriors rich. And we are people that care about the culture war and we actually care about the structure and shape of our society. And we found something that has a better structure. you know, it's like Eric was saying, like, the reason we have buy-in or alignment with each other is because the how and why of why we came to Bitcoin.

The how and why of why we all came to Bitcoin is the same thing. It's institutional betrayal. At some point or another, we trusted an institution and got totally ass-reamed because of that choice. And that shared trust of betrayal and trauma is the thing that brought us all to Bitcoin. so, like, you know, essentially, everybody under—nobody under 40 believes in the mainstream political institutions anymore. Nobody believes in them. OK? And so that lets you know that they're going to fall.

And like in a forest, when a tree falls, it's already dead. It just, it keeps its form and structure while it's in decay. Right? So like some of these institutions have already died. They just haven't fully disintegrated into the ground yet. And so you have a bunch of people in the political economy who are, you know, racing to occupy the husk of the fallen tree so that they can inhabit the, they can inherit the ash pile and they can like parasitically pilot these old dead institutions.

And the Bitcoin ethos is fuck that, let's build the new institutions, let's build the new world order. I don't want access to your elite society. This isn't an elite revolution where I'm asking you to be part of your club. I don't wanna be in your club. I'm never gonna be in your fucking club. I wouldn't join any club that would have somebody like me as a member. So we have to build our own things and these things have to work and be ref-

orienting for a new global order that's going to emerge in the crypto world that we're building. And so I think it's very important that you remember that and you think about that as a Bitcoiner and a capital allocator because Eric's right. The Bitcoin story is going to go, boom, rocket ship, block by rocket ship. It's going straight up and to the right. And all your dreams are going to come true. And then what?

HODL (01:07:08.7)

And then what? What the fuck are you gonna do after you have a Lambo and a mansion? What do you do next? Spend a lot more time thinking about that because Lambos and mansions come and go and by the way, like they're nothing. It's all nothing. It just means nothing. Like you're flying first class, you're drinking champagne, you're in a Lamborghini. It means fucking nothing. There's no difference between drinking High Life's and sitting in the back of a Camry and flying Southwest. It doesn't matter. None of that shit matters. The thing that matters is the world we build.

the world we leave behind. Bitcoin is thousand year system. We are going to be the new capital allocators of that world and we're going to be leaving large amounts of Bitcoin and hopefully new ideas and new systems to the people that come after us.

CASON (01:07:52.775)

So interesting that you, cause to me like it's not even like a cultural, it's like culture and technology are like dynamically feeding back into each other in like a symbiotic relationship. like we're, the culture that we've got is explicitly because of the technology and the same thing with the form of politics that we'll create, it's explicitly because of the technology. And like that, to me this is why this is all like.

part of a general chain of the historicity of man and like the true history as it was because like it turns out that like we created this nation state thing that is part of human history and it turns out that like the way that the forms of legalism works was like explicitly through violence and the way that it's untethered itself since the since the end of World War two is that like now it's this gigantic maniacal thing that believes it owns all people everything everywhere forever and the simple standpoint of saying like

Yo, like I don't want to participate in that. Like the thing like lasers in on you and like, like you're like an enemy of me. Like I must destroy you cause like I can't have power over you. And it turns out that like that function inherently breaks in the digital paradigm where we have cryptography. Like you, you, you can't do anything about it. Like if I've encrypted something like you can't like be like, state of emergent, like backdoor exception, haha. Like doesn't work that way. It's just a feature of how fucking math works.

HODL (01:08:59.434)

you

CASON (01:09:15.95)

And I think because of the way that we've came to understand that and what cypherpunkism is, like getting culturally that like, that's part of the world paradigm that we have, you know? And so I think as this continues to develop, like because more and more people seem to understand that and get it and like having watched this happen for more than a decade, it's been really interesting to like,

In the beginning, it's like, like I'm like a fucking insane person. And then I meet somebody like Jesse and I'm like, like another insane person, like, whoa. And now it's like, hey, now there's like eight of us and 16 and 32. Like now there's a fuck ton of us and we all sort of get the same thing and we also get the same pathway. But even more importantly is that like that contrasted against the dark nihilism of like what it means to be a slave and fiat society versus like, we have a form of empowerment.

Like I no longer want to tell you what to do. Like I want to welcome you into freedom and liberation. And that speaks to people in a radically different way than anything else. And I honestly think like the greatest challenge that's going to come about is just getting people to actually do the work and think for themselves, which I don't think we'll ever win. Like I think we'll always be a minority. And that's one of the reasons that like I've had people very pedantically push me. They're like,

HODL (01:10:29.609)

Mm-hmm.

CASON (01:10:33.093)

You have to do as much as you can to educate the masses about this as possible. And I, and I always go back to being like, look, there's like tons of people like Walker who do a really great job with that. Like that's not my shtick. Like my shtick is, is for the people that are already deeper is to like shove them deeper into that and have them get that. Like, it's not just number go up. It's not just getting rich. It's not just implementing these new forms that like make people freer and give us like libertarianism. It's like, this is about exploding the entire.

paradigm that we would call politics and borders and nation states to like implement something radically different and new in the same way that like in the 1730s if you're like, hey, like maybe this king is bullshit. And like maybe we should all like figure out a new way to like create politics. People be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like how would that even work in any meaningful sense? But like this is where we're at. And yeah, like

HODL (01:11:04.937)

Thank

CASON (01:11:29.295)

today versus maybe 10 years ago, like I feel so much more compelled and inspired that like we are going to win. The big question now is, like on what time span is that going to be? Who are going to be the people that implement it? And like, how is this going to manifest itself?

HODL (01:11:45.908)

Yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:11:49.267)

I want to ask you guys, because this feeds into what both of you had said earlier, but just thinking of this idea of what is the structure that is to come, and what part do Bitcoiners play in it as these new capital allocators with a great amount of economic energy and a completely different set of priorities and a completely different worldview than the pre-existing structure creators?

Like do you, I'm curious, maybe case in first, if like, some of what you were describing earlier is like kind of similar to like Balaji's thesis of like the network state, but also like the network state is basically just plagiarizing snow crash. Neil Stephenson's not like, it is like that. It's basically, you're just describing like Balaji's all the respect him, but he's just describing snow crash. Like that's like.

CASON (01:12:39.941)

I like Balazs you a lot. Like I haven't found anything extraordinarily original. I've found high amounts of that exact same thing.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:12:46.794)

It's so I guess my question is Do we go towards a snow crash future? But it's like a little bit less dystopian than snow crash or like how do you actually see that shaking out? Like is there kind of the disintegration of the nation state as it exists today in a fragmentation into very very small nation states and corporate You know state as a service providers or like how do you actually see like what does that actually look like or or does the existing paradigm just kind of can

HODL (01:12:58.664)

.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:13:16.062)

continue and continue and continue and just like we kind of just kick that can down the road despite Bitcoin existing despite the fragmentation that we see.

CASON (01:13:26.307)

And again, it's like all time scale. like, I definitely think that like the nation state as an entity on a whole is dead because of the way that like it fundamentally relies on Fiat and like Fiat is also fundamentally dead because of how that functions. So like, there's like a number of different possibilities that we have. And I actually think like the one that's going to be the most interesting is like, I'm a big fan of like the great man of history thesis of that. I think somebody will actually rise up at some point in time and realize that like,

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:13:29.171)

Right.

HODL (01:13:43.655)

Okay.

CASON (01:13:55.522)

attaching ourselves to Bitcoin as this thing that we can use to essentially ram a new form of the political down the throats of everybody else. And like you, don't have to agree with it. And again, like this is where we start getting into my weird fourth political theory stuff of that. Like I, and again, like returning to like at the deepest level, like I think Bitcoin is totally a form of communism. I think it's just like that form of communism is legitimate in so far of that. Like it's the deepest form of scientific socialism that there is and that like

HODL (01:14:14.179)

.

CASON (01:14:24.357)

Bitcoin is the form of IE socialism that we've chosen, that we've just chosen the social sciences that we should use cryptography and game theory and all of this technology in order to implement what we believe is the most fair and just and magnanimous society for man. We're just doing it with this other thing. And this goes into political theory of that communism and anarchism were a single movement up until...

Marx presented the communist manifesto and the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat. And Bakun was like, yo, like the nation state, like the state's the thing that we can't use. Like go fuck yourself. And Marx was like, fine, we'll like use the state and like, we'll make communism. Cause also to be clear, the idea of communism is a stateless society. Like it's not to get some gigantic rogue thing that has power over everything. It's to make sure that there is no more class.

And like Bitcoin, literally because of how it anonymizes everything vis-a-vis cryptography, it literally makes a classless structure. So like, I actually think that like, that's really important. And also like, it drives me fucking crazy that no liberals have actually attached onto this and like done and applied thoughtful thing with Marxism. Me and Ben Ark have had a great, some really great conversations about like how we should just like spend a month diving in to like do a Marxist analysis of Bitcoin to essentially explain

how it implements communism vis-a-vis an anarchist lens, but that's like a bunch of fucking work and effort that like I'm not necessarily interested in. Like I like the shtick that I'm on right now. Yeah, and also like that's why we're building sort of what we are at Voriz, because like we believe that the only way to get to this place is to like actually have like your, like your revolution in a box that like is this sovereign server that like has all these cryptographic primers that can't be broken.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:15:57.49)

good stick.

HODL (01:16:01.831)

Thank

CASON (01:16:14.274)

Whether or not that works, I don't know. But also like in this grand paradigm, I still think America is like the winner that takes all. But I think the difference is that like we need some sort of radical and I don't even want to call it third party. But like, again, I return to the Article Five argument of that. Like we need to essentially use states to fuck up the federal government and like change the Constitution with Article Five.

HODL (01:16:33.925)

Thank

CASON (01:16:38.998)

And then we get a totally different political structure that can actually serve a revolutionary agenda around the world because most nation state entities have a larger federal thing with states underneath it. And so if you can radicalize states to fight their own federal government and then create a solidarity that happens horizontally globally, like now we're cooking with gas and we got some fun shit in the line.

HODL (01:16:44.345)

maybe.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:17:02.73)

And we need to have another podcast where we just do a deconstruction of, well, you know what we do? We try real communism this time. We try real communism with Bitcoin. Because this time real communism might work. Perhaps not Marxist communism, but yeah. Yes, yes. just so you know, earlier when I said that communists were a...

CASON (01:17:21.732)

or anarcho-communism.

HODL (01:17:23.66)

Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:17:29.758)

just as bad or worse than Nazis, I wasn't talking about you, Kason. I just want you to know that.

CASON (01:17:33.541)

That's fine. Communists are just as evil as Nazis because both of them are... Because same thing, national socialism as the Nazis imagined it is not a functional political system. These are all just a bunch of fancy words that we use to give a specific class of people power to murder and hurt other people. Turns out that...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:17:49.799)

Shockingly, yeah.

CASON (01:17:57.655)

with cryptography, one because it's digital, two because of how it anonymizes things, and three because of the protections that it gives. It's non-functional in that theater. And so, again, this is one of the things I've been working on is with the fourth political theory, because to be clear, the current global world order that we exist within is all neoliberal. Whether it's North Korea or China or Iran or the United States, it's all part of a giant neoliberal world order.

HODL (01:18:19.269)

Mm-hmm.

CASON (01:18:26.732)

And it's really important to understand neoliberalism is what liberalism has stated it is, but it's inherently a fucking lie. It's telling you that because it's just a thieving, maniacal, individualistic thing where you have a collection of selfish people that all just want to make money, and that's the final objective. And it's impossible for it ever to tell the truth, because that's the thing that it's incapable of. It can't tell truth.

HODL (01:18:36.869)

Mm-hmm.

CASON (01:18:55.556)

That's a sort of linchpin. And so that means that like if all prior political theories are dead, let's like pick and choose what we like from all of them, which to me, that's part of Bitcoin is that like it's taking the most extreme parts of communism, the most extreme parts of fascism and synthesizes them in order to make the most extreme form of liberalism that's ever existed. And that like all of these things amalgamated together, like is essentially Bitcoin in the exact same way like Bitcoin is anarcho-capitalism.

HODL (01:19:19.459)

Mm-hmm.

CASON (01:19:23.298)

which like that was like a misnomer and like contradictory up until the existence of Bitcoin. There was no way to have a money that was not tied to the nation state before Bitcoin. It's just what Satoshi created was so incredible, innovative and original that like it actualized that, which to me, this is also what unwinds and unpacks the entire historicity of man, its relationship to war, violence and the law.

and how what Bitcoin is, like essentially ends all of those things at once.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:19:56.277)

Fuck yeah, man. Has real capitalism ever been tried?

CASON (01:20:01.028)

yeah, like it, it, it's very different because like the moment that we had the implementation of the nation state itself, like that sort of ended. And so like, that's again, why crypto sovereignty sort of starts with a reading of Hobbes is because Hobbes was really representative of like the first implementation of what we could call. Stateism. And it's not to say that like monarchism had a strange relationship to it, but it was only once.

HODL (01:20:01.86)

A long time ago, a long time ago.

CASON (01:20:28.6)

gold got fully appropriated as this object that was been backed by fiat monies. And like that was tried a bunch of times in history. And like, like I'm, I'm sure you're aware of like when the Chinese tried it in the 12th century. Yeah. And like essentially they're like, tried to make fiat money. It totally failed. And then even more interesting is that like after it failed, they're like, the most brutal and barbaric sort of forms of torture need to be carried out on anybody that issues paper money.

It was stuff like we gotta crush their balls and rip their fingers off and like rip their eyes out and shit. It was like not friendly, yeah.

HODL (01:21:00.206)

Fair. Moderate, even. Truly.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:21:04.552)

You know, they were, I think they were right on the money there. Now, man, it's gonna be really fascinating to kind of see, like, I feel like we're at this really, like, I'm very grateful to be alive at this moment in space and time because it feels like it's somewhat surreal. Like, it's also not, it's very real. Like, I'm pretty sure, like, you know, this all feels pretty real. But like, it's genuinely wild that we get to be here to witness this transition.

And I can't imagine how dark and depressing things would be if Bitcoin didn't exist because I don't know that I would have a lot of hope for what comes next. And I think things are going to get really, really messed up. And I've said this before and eventually I'll formalize it into a nice thesis that I'll write in a piece and I'll publish on Substack. But until then, I'll just spout it. But I think we're at this, like we have this moment of cyclical convergence that has made all the more ferocious by Bitcoin. So we've got like

Obviously like the fourth turning like everybody knows about the fourth turning right and that's like supposed to be happening You know like the end of that turning is like in the 20 20 30 range But you've also got like the I don't know if you're familiar with like the contrative waves or contrative cycles like he was The the Russians killed him because he basically showed that like well It turns out capitalism just like kind of like does this free market thing and then like it works And it actually works out better than like communism and state-controlled economies. And so they killed him

CASON (01:22:16.718)

yeah, yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:22:31.935)

And then his theories emerged later. And then we've also got like, you know, the long-term debt cycles that Ray Dalio talks about. And then you've got like the fiat currency cycles. And you've got, you know, we can get into like solar cycles as well here if you want to get, know, in tectonic cycles. There's like all, feels like there is, there are so many.

HODL (01:22:37.055)

Mm-hmm.

HODL (01:22:48.967)

And then there's the the sing the singularity is near rapidly approaching seemingly

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:22:52.971)

While the single- like while we have like like like there there are so many fucking cycles

CASON (01:22:55.107)

Call it a Yuga Cycle?

HODL (01:22:58.153)

Mayan calendar did the world end in 2012 like did it it might have

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:23:02.539)

I don't know, maybe, because shit's getting wild.

CASON (01:23:02.645)

Yeah, my my thesis is that like what happened in 2012 is Bitcoin actually achieved full decentralization and it couldn't be stopped at that point.

HODL (01:23:10.242)

There you go. was when Max Kaiser said it became sentient at block 300,000. So, you know, that would probably line up. We should check somebody should.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:23:11.616)

OHHHH

CASON (01:23:16.547)

Mm.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:23:21.406)

How dark do you think things get in the near term versus like I think we're all the opinion that things will get better in the long term How dark do you think things get not to be a downer but like how dark?

HODL (01:23:29.75)

Yeah, I'll take, I'll take, I'll take this one. I mean, my heuristic here for a while and still has been that, both political sides in America are in what I call the race to Hitler, right? And, know, essentially that you have to do a Hitler because you think the other side is going to do a Hitler. So you got to put in your own Hitler before they do a Hitler. Right. And that's sort of where we're at. And when you look at like,

A lot of the extreme political beliefs coming out of younger people, people are in a win or die predicament. That's how extreme the politics have gotten. So it's not this sort of thing where, know, oh yeah, well, you know, Bob's a Democrat, but he's a good guy. We have Bruce, you know, every now and then, right? Whatever. It's not like that anymore. Like there's this thin veneer of trade keeping our civilization together. So the economy is the only thing keeping us together.

Democrats and Republicans are living in entirely different spheres where they actually despise each other and believe that the other one has nothing but malintent in their heart for them and their country, right? And so when the thin veneer of trade goes away, when there is some sort of a crisis, monetary crisis, I don't think we're in for anything good. I think we're in for, you know, a Caesar. I think we're in for

Hitler I think we're in for a Stalin. I don't know what the flavoring of authoritarian ship is or totalitarianism is but I think we get an American totalitarian now that the benevolent version is a Caesar and you know, the malevolent versions are Stalin or Hitler or whatever but like It seems that fascism communism in some form is desperate to be tried in America and that younger people don't believe in the political

Systems or the institutions that they're being left and so they're gonna jettison them and in many cases like I said, they're already dead so this idea of like what comes next American fascism or American anarchy, I think you get both potentially simultaneously and the winning move if you're you know, an American is sort of to Make it through make it through relatively unscathed like you won't be able to turn them the volume to zero

HODL (01:25:55.893)

But maybe you can turn it to five if you, you know, guard your time, attention, energy well and are in a physical space that allows you to do so. Meaning you got to move to Montana and turn off your phone. Like that's the simple version of the story. So listen, I don't want to prognosticate any of this. Like these are things I don't want to say. These are things I think and think I don't want to say these out loud, but I'm saying them out loud because maybe somebody can hear them.

figure out like, shit, Hottel might actually be right and this might actually happen. And I should actually take steps to protect myself from what's coming. Cause it just doesn't seem like anything good is coming, man. When you talk about all the cycles unfolding, I mean, the debt cycle that Ray Dalio talks about is a big one. Like we are in the unwind of the debt cycle and in the unwind of the debt cycle, like, you know, politics gets hyper partisan and then people do violence against each other. Like that's what happens.

So long-term, medium long-term, like Eric's idea of what I'm going to call the Mr. Potato Head political economy, where we take a little piece of communism and a little piece of fascism and a little piece of anarchism and we stick them all together on a potato head that looks like Greg Zash. Shout out Greg Zash. think that is preferred and that is the world that we should strive to create as Bitcoiners where

We don't join the chaos. It's like back to the thing I was talking about about us being capital allocators, like do your best not to join in on the chaos of the day. Do your best to make it through unscathed and to be able to pick up the pieces. You know, when everything is ready to be rebuilt, like we're not really in a rebuilding time. We're kind of in a time where people are tearing things down, but there will be, you know, we will come out on the other side. Like the world never ends. Every generation thinks the world is going to end because they're going to die.

The boomers think that now. When you talk to boomers, get lot of doomerism coming out of them because their lives are ending. 10, 15 years from now, the world is over for them. Like it all goes black. And then, you you probably go to hell. Most of you. I'm just kidding. But like, it's not, it's, like, I fucking hate you boomers. Anyway.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:28:07.723)

you

CASON (01:28:08.194)

I'm not.

HODL (01:28:16.16)

Nothing is permanent. Everything is temporary. Everything is cyclical. Everything transforms. Like Eric said, the neoliberal world order, which basically is a cover story for the largest theft ever known to mankind. They're stealing from every human being on earth every time they hit the print button on the fiat central bank computer.

That is coming to an end because people just simply can't stand it anymore. It has reached its inevitable conclusion or it's very near its inevitable end state. And I just don't think it's going to go on for that much longer, you know, especially once the boomers are gone, because they're the only ones who are deeply in love with it. Everybody else is like, fuck it, who needs it?

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:29:03.659)

forgot a cycle guys. just have to say also, Polybius is an a cyclosis. We're nearing the aglocracy stage, which is a fancy word for mob rule, which comes after democracy. sorry, I needed to throw, Kacen go ahead, but I needed to throw the other cycle in there that I forgot. Shout out to Polybius. You've been dead for a few thousand years, but you're a homie.

CASON (01:29:03.692)

Yeah, I mean...

CASON (01:29:23.926)

Good, good homie. I mean, there's like a few distinct outcomes that we get. One is like a centrally like extreme right wingism, which like manifests as like a form of Nazism and like reactionary Hitlerism, which like there's like a pretty good opportunity for that. Same thing like we can have highly reactionary left wingism. I remember like a decade ago when I was like tripping my fucking face off at Burning Man, I had this like whole vision of

HODL (01:29:42.239)

Thank

CASON (01:29:53.153)

Like a form of essentially like youth communism where it's like essentially like everyone under 30 gets to like select a house they want and just like kill the boomers that are in that like totally legitimate. Like you just get to murder those people and take their shit. Yeah, like fuck them. Like they contribute to the fact that you don't get a home. So pick the one out you like and fucking kill the family that lives there. Like totally kosher. Red guard is going to protect you. It's great. So like those are two extremely dark outcomes. Another one is like

We get what we have today right now, but essentially like the elites that are like part of, and it's kind of interesting because like in this, there's like a very interesting sort of civil war that's going on between like Teal Palantir Network and like some of like, and it's like the new tech money versus like the old, like inflationary oligopolism money. So like they're in their own little war. Teal Palantirism like, like wins that war if they do that.

Or there's actually like a third way that can be like a pretty interesting middle of the road orange party Bitcoin thing, but it means we have to actually get our shit together, organized in a meaningful way.

I don't know if I want to do that. That's like a lot of time and effort and energy and there's like a lot of like public focus. Well, it's not even running. It's like, it's like maybe doing that as like a lampoonie kind of thing, but it's actually like building out like a new political movement. That's like look like owning Bitcoin is politics now. Like when, one of the things I love doing in San Francisco is when people are like, oh, like how do you vote? I'm like, I don't vote. Like you actually believe that makes a difference.

HODL (01:31:04.722)

That's right. That's right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:31:05.803)

You guys would have to run. You're top of the ticket. Come on.

CASON (01:31:28.162)

How could you not vote? I'm like, please tell me who I vote for that doesn't murder the brown people. Like, please tell me, is it, like, neither the blue or red people won't kill the brown people? Like, I thought you were liberal and like gave a shit about the brown people, but like you elect people that murder the brown people too? Like, oh my God. And they're like, well, don't you care about climate change? And I'm like, well, yeah. And like, that's explicitly why I won't vote is because neither of them like end the US war machine, which like contributes the most to

carbon in the world and like it's creating greatest amount of climate change like don't you love the environment so like why are you voting for people that continue to give money to the war machine hmm that's really weird I thought you cared about people huh so

HODL (01:32:11.71)

It's called the Petrodollar. Petro. It's right there in the name.

CASON (01:32:14.739)

Yeah, see, like come on guys, you gotta get this. I'm afraid the truth is that Bitcoiners actually have to get our shit together and do that, because I don't see there being any other class. And the other thing that's way more important that I always try to point out to people that is very inflammatory and they don't like is that I am inherently freer than you are, because I don't rely on my bank account for money, and you do. Ergo, there's somebody that can be like, you can't have your money now.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:32:17.099)

You fucking moron.

CASON (01:32:43.871)

And there isn't somebody that does that to me. So like, I can say inflammatory stuff that like, Donald Trump has obviously raped children on Epstein Island, which is why the Epstein files weren't released. Cause like, he likes to fuck underage girls. Like that's true. And like, to be fair though, he's just maintaining political tradition of the presidency. You know, like we all know going all the way back to Clinton, that like, if you're going to be president of the United States, you have to rape underage children. Like that's just part of the game.

HODL (01:33:04.57)

Okay.

HODL (01:33:11.197)

Okay.

CASON (01:33:13.001)

Sorry guys.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:33:13.525)

This is getting banned from YouTube so fast also. It's totally cool though. I know.

CASON (01:33:16.307)

Absolutely, that's always the goal. Yeah, and that's always why I come back to people being like, look, I'm sorry that you thought Trump was the Messiah. Like, if the Messiah is raping little children, I'm not sure how much I want to be saved by them, but that's something we should think about. know, same thing though.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:33:32.885)

There's my poll quote. There's my poll quote right there for the episode, you know.

CASON (01:33:38.21)

That's gonna be great. So like, it's really kind of a question for us. And like, again, like Bitcoiners are sort of the reigning champions, irregardless of the 21st century, which also it's kind of ironic that the 21st century where we these 21 million Bitcoins that sort of determine outcome. I don't know, weird stuff. But with that being said, like I him and ha about a lot. It seems like it'd be pretty great. Like I gotta have like a good crew of people around me that are like encouraging me and like wanting all of this success.

HODL (01:33:43.656)

Yeah.

CASON (01:34:07.905)

And like, I do really want it too. It's just like, it's a lot of effort and time and sacrifice and like, there's like a lot of personal focus that comes in on it, but like, I'm not sure I'm prepared.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:34:19.147)

Are we talking about YouTube being like running on the same ticket? Is that what we're talking about still? Because like what I love about both of you guys is neither of you are on Epstein's list and I know that like with certainty. I don't know that about anyone.

HODL (01:34:22.919)

Listen, I-

CASON (01:34:23.585)

and

CASON (01:34:28.993)

Ha ha.

HODL (01:34:30.299)

I did go to that party at Michael Saylor's house though, so who knows what lists one might be I'm just kidding. listen, bro, I don't want to run for president, but I will. Okay, don't fucking make me do it. Don't make me do it. I have this very like George Washington-esque sense where like if the people demanded I would be president, then I would just be like, well, now I have to be president. You know, like fucking, I don't want to be, but like.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:34:34.749)

Yeah. Shit. It was a nice party.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:34:42.911)

I know you will. I know you will. I know you both will.

HODL (01:34:58.936)

I would do it if demand did it.

CASON (01:35:01.545)

I can handle a John Adams kind of role. I'm okay with that.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:35:05.801)

Hehehehehe

CASON (01:35:07.137)

I mean, like the thing that kind of sucks that the truth is, that like, and this is one of the ones that hurts the most is like, our parents completely fucking betrayed us top to bottom. It's one of the reasons we can't have conversations about this because like the truth is that they're 100 % to blame for all of the bad shit that happened. They constantly try to be like, what was like, what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to say fucking no. Like you were actually supposed to continue to resist. And they're like, but we protested in 78 at the democratic convention. It's like,

HODL (01:35:22.608)

Yep.

CASON (01:35:36.194)

Great, like now you pick up arms and you actually have a full on rebellion. Like I'm sorry, it's like not a nice answer, but like that's what you were supposed to do. But you know what you did instead? You took the money and you decided that you were gonna get a house at a cheap rate and buy it up and watch everything inflate to high heaven and play this fucking game. And yeah, it's really sad and painful, but I think that that's part of the political concourse that we're in is like, I'm pretty sure in 1762, people were like, hey, the king's totally fucking us.

Like we're supposed to have representation when we're taxed and like, they don't even give us a fucking representative in parliament. Like what are we supposed to do? Like we love the king. We want to be part of the British empire, but like we also don't want to get taxed out of that fucking wazoo. Cause like, can you believe it? They're trying to take 3%, 3 goddamn percent of the tea that we're drinking. Those motherfucking pieces of shit are stealing 3 % of our income.

Meanwhile, like we're like lubing up our assholes here that we can get two fifths in we're like 45 % baby like let's go

HODL (01:36:41.947)

Okay.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:36:43.403)

It's genuinely insane. it's actually nuts when you think about it. So I work like basically 50 % of my time. Like essentially, essentially half my time. Let's roll all the taxes in together, right? Basically 50 % of my life's blood, my blood, sweat and tears, my energy just goes right to the government. Who does what with it? Builds roads? I live in Illinois.

They give her driven on the roads in Illinois ever driven on the roads in Chicago. They're like, they're just all always potholes, like everywhere always nonstop. It is insane. It's like the government doesn't fucking build the roads.

HODL (01:37:13.979)

You

They're very bad.

CASON (01:37:26.689)

There's like roads from the Roman Empire that like still exists but like it's usually within three years that we have to like repave the asphalt so like Even if the government is building roads, they're like really really really fucking bad at it Which was like another heuristic we should probably discuss but at the end of the day like The sad truth is is that like yeah, like the money isn't going to the road it's like going to like

like help murder brown people and like choose your jurisdiction. Like there's totally white people that are murdered too by our weapons. Like it turns out that like most of the military and yeah, like we really were equal opportunity murderers. But the sad truth is that like, exactly.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:37:59.725)

show. We're equal opportunities, destroyers of humans. Yeah. Yeah.

HODL (01:38:00.636)

In Russia, yeah

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:38:08.14)

It's like bomb DEI, you know? Our bombs are colorblind, really. They'll blow you up no matter what.

CASON (01:38:17.952)

Yeah, whoever's gonna make money from it, it's okay. And like the honest truth is like, I don't know how a sincere dialogue happens like this, but I also know like the only, cause like Elon Musk had his whole thing for a while, like we're gonna do the America party, but like, let's be fair, like he's part of this network in various ways and capacities, whether or not he likes it. And at the end of the day, like it has to be a grassroots movement. It has to be Bitcoiners because unless the relationship between state money is broken, like there can't be a fundamental political change.

And like Fiat is the true communism of the 20th century. Like that's why it's a global thing. That's why it's happened everywhere. That's why every single fucking military on the planet is literally financed through these Fiat means. Like there's like nowhere on earth where people are like, yeah, yeah, let's let's give 30 % of our GDP to the the military. Like, yeah, that's a great idea. Like nowhere did anybody ever make that agreement, which also like

HODL (01:38:52.225)

Mm-hmm.

CASON (01:39:15.198)

That's the really beautiful thing, in my opinion, is that like, what we're talking about isn't bat shit crazy stuff. Like, in fact, like 90 % of humanity is in total agreement with us. And now we have this great thing called the internet and we have this great way to communicate called Noster where like we can do that in a censorship resistant way that like there's an actual possibility that we could save the world from the global panopticon and totalitarianism that's coming. But that's going to demand a lot of effort and sacrifice in a way that's different. And to be clear,

HODL (01:39:36.634)

So,

CASON (01:39:45.323)

George Washington, who's obviously the greatest fucking man who ever lived, which was validated by the most powerful man who ever lived at the time, King George III, like he made massive sacrifices where like he lost his only fucking child, he lost his farm, he lost most of his fortune. Like there was a lot of really bad shit that happened to George Washington and he still made it happen. And for any fuck out there who's like, well, George Washington, no, like George Washington pretty much single fucking-handedly decided that the American Revolution was gonna happen.

and like read into like how Valley Forge played out and like why it was such an essential piece to like making sure that the entire Continental Army didn't collapse. But with that being said, like, I think there's an opportunity. I'd like to participate in it. I have trepidations and hesitations about it because, you know, like murdering me and shit for that reason would be like a pretty good idea. But anyways, fuck it. Like we only got one life to live, right? So YOLO, let's like change everything. And also like,

HODL (01:40:40.894)

We're gonna die anyway, I'm gonna fucking die anyway, might as well do it

CASON (01:40:44.99)

The contemplation of that death is important and it would be pretty badass if in like 2040 or in like, yeah, if in like the 25th century, like my great, great, great, great grandkids were like still riding on the coattails of like the case and family name being super corrupt douchebags that were all needed to get their heads chopped off and end our lineage. like, yeah, they have like a 30 generation run. It wasn't so bad.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:40:49.804)

Super badass.

HODL (01:41:03.034)

It is, it is an interesting, I, I've thought about this before that if you were to run for president, uh, you know, or really any high political office, you, you actually, in order to do it correctly, have to be willing to die. That's the only way that you can do it correctly. If you're not willing to die, you're going to be corrupted and co-opted almost immediately. First day, right? First hour, first minute.

CASON (01:41:21.322)

Mm-hmm.

HODL (01:41:33.305)

So it's only somebody who does have the courage to step in and say, I will risk my own life. I will gamble with my life in order to save. And I guess that's probably where the great man theory of history comes from is that it's very rare that an individual decides to gamble with their life for the collective. It's very rare, right? It happens occasionally, but not that often.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:42:02.206)

And it's wild to the George Washington was like after all that sacrifice and then after emerging victorious and could have very well easily been like, yeah, I'll just maybe I'll just take a few extra terms. You're just like, no.

Now my time's done. that, in my mind, like that's what cements him, right? As like a truly, like the ability to step away. But then it's like also like, in the modern context, it's like, maybe you don't want to step away. Like I don't, I don't even know. We've been running late, we're running late, so don't even know if I'm gonna get into this next part. So you, do it. Hoddle, excuse me, Jesus, I'm so sorry.

HODL (01:42:36.131)

There was a, there was an American painter.

Okay, what I was gonna say there was an American painter in London I can't remember his name, but you know, he was painting in the palace and King George asked him what George Washington would do after the war was over now that the war was concluding and the paint the painter said, know, I'm hearing, know tailed that he'll go home to his farm and you know tend to his affairs there and

King George said if he does that, he will become the greatest person in history. And then he did it. know? So yeah. So yeah, man.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:43:18.156)

What fucking badass.

CASON (01:43:19.914)

I mean, like, think the truth is that, like, men of dignity and courage understand that that's the thing that you do to achieve that. And I think it's really interesting, like, in contemporary dialogue, the idea of what glory is is completely extinct. There's no conversation whatsoever about doing something glorious. It's a very weird terminology to bring up, but it's really interesting that it actually does still exist.

Like people who are trying to like beat extreme sports records or other things they're like truly entering into like doing a glorious thing in order to like Make that level of achievement, but it's not discussed in that way and so like glory is actually that's very real feature that also like if you Like it's really interesting if you actually read about the American Revolution the people who participated in it and also pretty much all wars before the 20th century like Glory was actually a primary component

of their motivation for the engagement in it. And that's just like not even anywhere in the dialogue now.

HODL (01:44:23.287)

Thanks.

There are only three reasons for war really is it's in antiquity and it's God, gold or glory or some combination of all three. And now in a fiat forever war context that's been completely lost.

CASON (01:44:36.488)

Well, and it's really...

CASON (01:44:40.755)

Well, it's funny, I have like another essay or book or whatever you want to call that I've worked on that like essentially since the Civil War, that like war itself is this thing that is unrelational to classic war that like it's just like a module of murder for money, but also like it's something that is self perpetuating and that like that's the only feature it has. And that like there is no winning at all. And Hannah Reden has this really interesting essay where she talks about like the

Like what the nuclear age implemented was this idea of like the total eradication of all people within a certain sphere and like it can't ever be occupied again for hundreds of years. Like that's a very specialized form of insanity. That like there's no winning at all in that. It's just something different. And this also goes to the heuristics of like what the Vietnam War was, is that like because of the way that the partisan and the general population blended into each other.

Like we didn't have a heuristic of like if we were winning or not, other than just like pure body count, which like obviously is something that is unrelational to war on a whole. But it goes to speak to like literally like what we're in now is like when we speak about infinite wars, like it's not actually even relational to war. It's just like this gigantic murderous thing of like literally like bodies for money, which is like a pretty sickening thing on a whole.

And again, to be clear, like that's the fundamental substrate of like how the global war world order works. And it's funny because like, I feel a lot of pity for liberals because like I feel like their heart is in the right place and they want the right thing. But like they're they're a little bit like the Tin Man or like the the Scarecrow the Tin Man, the one without a brain but a heart like they have the heart but not the brain.

HODL (01:46:27.256)

Yeah. Right. Right.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:46:27.808)

The wait, the scarecrow has no brain. The Tin Man has no heart, right? Yeah. Yeah.

CASON (01:46:33.063)

Okay, so yeah, like the that kind of makes sense because the Tin Man's like a soldier or the skip. Okay. Anyways, like they're like, I like where their heart is, but they're not thinking at all about it. And like, that's the thing I really love glitching liberals out on is like, like I feel you like, like people like brown people shouldn't be murdered. But like, let's let's observe the heuristics of like, how that is happening. And like, let's be clear that like, it's because we have this giant war machine that's

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:46:38.24)

Yeah.

CASON (01:47:00.841)

financed explicitly by like you paying taxes and like being like a good a good little citizen that's like gonna do that and like is willing to be like like now that my blue people were elected and like they are gonna give us some sort of social program here that like that is now appropriate. So yeah like I hope there's like some great plebeian out there who's like I'm gonna build the orange party and like run with this fucking like

Wholeheart to you, totally support. If you wanna like rope our asses in somehow you can, but like you're probably gonna have to be like a self-sovereign Bitcoiner in some way. Cause also like I think that's the lower bound threshold is that like you have to be self-sovereign with your wealth through Bitcoin to do this. Because like to be clear, like once any contraction happens at all, like the powers that be will freak out and like ending your bank account is the first thing. Like isn't that what they did with the Fuentes? They like ended his bank account, they made him into a rat. Yeah.

HODL (01:47:43.702)

Yeah.

HODL (01:47:52.48)

Yeah, he got debanked. All the gripe, all the grippers, all his followers got debanked. Kanye got debanked. Yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:47:54.732)

Yep.

CASON (01:47:58.664)

Yeah, I'm so like many became.

Yeah, and it's wild to me that like these things happen and people are like, like couldn't happen to me. It's like, like, like.

HODL (01:48:09.855)

It happened to anybody.

CASON (01:48:11.452)

Yeah, like why don't you just like think for yourself and

HODL (01:48:14.853)

By the way, I debanked myself because there's fucking no money in the bank account. My wife keeps being like, do we really have to? I've had the card gets declined like two or three times a month. I'm like, babe, that's just the way we're living, okay? It's opportunity cost, babe. All right, you gotta understand, babe. Can't keep a lot in fiat, babe. Can't keep a lot, babe. We're in a bull market, babe. You know, it's all that kind of...

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:48:20.556)

Got him!

CASON (01:48:21.534)

Good job.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:48:39.788)

Do you still stack as psychopathically as you once did, Hoddle? Have you ever stopped stacking psychopathically?

HODL (01:48:46.205)

Well, made it no, mean, yes, I don't stack psychopathically anymore. I had to go further out on the risk curve in order to try and make more Bitcoin. And so the way I stack these days is in Bitcoin startups, which are fucking ridiculous. Eric knows they're ridiculously risky. And then, you know, in trying to do treasury company trades and things of that nature, which is, you know, are ridiculously risky.

And so I've had to go much further out on the risk curve in order to try and meaningfully increase my Bitcoin position. And after four years of doing this, I can say that I have outperformed Bitcoin. I did the math. I did a calculation on this recently by 15 percent, which is not no, no, it's not very good. It's not worth it. It wasn't worth it. Exactly. Exactly.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:49:30.604)

Damn. Wow.

CASON (01:49:33.616)

Yeah, it's not a good thing. like it... Because like for all this time and effort, he could have just bought Bitcoin.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:49:36.46)

but you still outperform Bitcoin. My point is that you did it at all. Like what else were going to do? Like

HODL (01:49:42.357)

Bear dude dude listen I I'm a I'm a privileged insider who knows everybody in Bitcoin who has access to the the deals and blah blah blah and I was able to do 15 % it's not worth it it's not fucking worth it like

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:49:57.292)

But we-

CASON (01:49:57.301)

It's funny that this shit happens to me late at night sometimes where I'm like, oh my God, like I have to, I have to have an investment plan. I have to like set up my trust and my 401k. like, have to do the whole paranoid schizophrenic thing. And I'm like, shut the fuck up. You have the most asymmetric bet in human history on your side that you have constantly proven to yourself is right. Like even just looking over the last month, you know, like we outperform pretty much everything. And the fact that like I do that.

at a standstill by sitting on my hand. Like I frequently will wake up and be like, I like made more money than I did in my normal life than I did before by doing nothing. Like what does that mean? Which to me, it implements a very specific form of nihilism of like how retarded this whole world of finances and how wrong it is and what a gigantic scam it is. It's similar to the gold thing. Like if you look at gold performance since the year 2000, it's like outperformed the S &P 500 ridiculously. And so it's like, you can do that whole insane schizophrenic show game or you can just like,

HODL (01:50:54.732)

Yeah.

CASON (01:50:56.178)

hold a bearer asset for like a long period of time and you like win. And it's just, I don't know, it like fucks with me a lot because it's like, what does it mean that the entire financial paradigm that we've created is essentially a fiction where instead of like the, like think about the entirety of CNBC and all the financial markets and Wall Street, like all of this shit that's about trying to teach you how to make money can literally just be replaced by the sentence of like,

HODL (01:51:06.004)

Hmm

HODL (01:51:11.282)

Yeah.

CASON (01:51:25.982)

just hold Bitcoin. Like that's it. I get that like there's a certain level of faith you have to have in that. But also like that's where logic comes in is that like you have to be like, I understand that I have feelings and those feelings are trying to influence the outcome of my belief about these things. But there's also logic and backtesting and like we can provably say over the last 20 years that gold has outperformed the S &P 500 that Bitcoin since its existence has outperformed S &P 500 that the

Cagger rate of these things outperforms the SMP 500. So like maybe we should just do that. But like I don't want to shit on anybody. Like if you want to engage in your paranoid schizophrenic game that is inherently allowing for this system of systematic abuse to exist, like you can, but you're participating in all of our general slavery. And so you should maybe think about that, particularly if you're one of these people who wants to come to me and be like,

HODL (01:52:01.619)

The Bible.

HODL (01:52:15.124)

right.

CASON (01:52:22.554)

You won't immediately say that Donald Trump is actually literally Hitler and he's implementing the Holocaust right now. Like, yeah, I'm not going to say that because I don't think he's literally Hitler. I don't think he's principled enough to be a fascist. But furthermore, like, you actually support a system that does inherently help a genocidal system exist. So like that just, I don't know. Maybe you should look at that. Just a suggestion. Just a suggestion.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:52:38.175)

you

HODL (01:52:49.172)

The the the the Bible says that you should keep a third of your wealth in gold a third of your wealth in real estate and a third of your wealth in your business and Honestly that advice is 2,000 years old It's fucking great advice like if you just replace gold with Bitcoin and you did that you would just be super prosperous like the in your your FA ain't gonna tell you that shit

The Bible's got you covered though, dog. it's just like the simplest things in the world. the, you know, the portfolio, you know, who outperforms like in which investor group outperforms dead people because their fucking portfolios don't move. Okay. So it's just like doing nothing is the key. And that's my whole point is like, I didn't say I outperformed Bitcoin by 15 % to be like, look at me. I'm sophisticated, whatever. Like, no, it's like, right. No.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:53:39.084)

Hoorah!

HODL (01:53:41.042)

It was not worth my time or effort and I fucking just pissed away a bunch of hours I could have otherwise spent doing anything else that I actually enjoyed with my life and the extra 15 % is fucking meaningless. It's marginal. So why did I feel compelled to do it in the first place? Waste of time.

CASON (01:54:00.35)

Yeah, it's like, it took all this time and effort to scale Everest when you could just like take the escalator. And like, I get there's some satisfaction about scaling Everest, but like the escalator is like a really great option.

HODL (01:54:04.538)

Right. Exactly.

HODL (01:54:10.524)

I had no satisfaction from this. When I did the math on how much I had made, when I added up the wins and losses, I was like, this sucks, fuck this, why did I even do this?

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:54:20.178)

Okay, but by the same token we I think all three of us know that you're not doing what you do right now because you're like I'm gonna like this is a purely like I'm gonna make as much money as I can thing you're doing this also because you are trying to like invest in companies that you believe in even though you know those companies are probably not gonna perform better than the hurdle rate of Bitcoin at least for now like fair

CASON (01:54:20.51)

and yeah.

HODL (01:54:40.327)

Yeah, that's the justification you tell yourself as a Bitcoin startup investor. You're like, well, it doesn't work out. I'm doing it for Bitcoin, you know, whatever.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:54:47.372)

I'm in it for the tech. in it for the tech. It's not for the money. It's the tech. man, dudes, this was, I've kept you guys here for a while now, but I appreciate both of you coming on here. These are always, these group therapy sessions are always wonderful. Is there anything you want to close with to leave people with, send people?

CASON (01:54:58.654)

Hmm.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:55:13.771)

do you want to show any of your startup investments or case and you want to show Vora or like or even a rant about anything else? Yeah, do it.

HODL (01:55:16.018)

Oh yeah. I'm trying to shill a Noster business at the end of every pod I go on for free. check out Oshi on Noster. O-S-H-I. They have all sorts of yummy dessert things and like nut butter stuff. Yeah, it looks good. So check out Oshi. It's Noster only business.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:55:24.139)

Sweet.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:55:39.53)

Nut butter you say.

Alright.

HODL (01:55:44.868)

It's a Nostra only business, I think, and I haven't sampled the product yet, but I'm gonna order some. Everybody else says it's fucking amazing. Check it out. OSHI.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:55:56.405)

You're going to sample some nut butter, huh? Let know how goes. This is the topic of your next vlog.

CASON (01:55:57.096)

Nice.

HODL (01:55:58.524)

Yeah.

Nut butter, it tastes yummy.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:56:05.036)

You

CASON (01:56:06.235)

Allshill, Vora.io, that's like the company that me and Jesse posed in our building. Like we're essentially trying to build like the unicorn thing that everybody wanted, which essentially is like a from silicon to software, like a fully open source, transparent, very viable computer that's gonna have like an application layer that's gonna allow for you to be self-sovereign with your Bitcoin in a new and different way through a totally new cryptographic protocol built on.

Bitcoin with new authentication factors that like Jesse Posner as like the lead senior architect at Block and a contributor to like a CoreDev contributor and an individual that has made multiple contributions to open source Bitcoin development. He's fucking brilliant and my partner. But then it's kind of funny because as we show this to like a lot of VCs, like, whoa, this is like a really big vision or like what like are you like a like a

Small dick little fuck that like like I thought that's what you wanted like don't you want like big vision cuz like we're giving you an opportunity to invest in a trillion dollar company, but Like that's what you do and like you invested in like all kinds of Idiotic shit that's gonna make you like four dollars. So anyways, this is a public solicitation But like if you're a venture capitalist and like want to throw some money at something reach out

But yeah, the other one is like, again, we'll revisit this in the future when Bitcoin is like $150,000 or whatever, but just like, if you're worried about money, and that's like a thing that you do, and you like have a bunch of fiat, you by the way, like, where the fuck are you guys getting fiat money? Like, how do you guys have fiat money? Like I just like, I'm like a little suspicious now you guys, you're like, you're still stacking? It's like work with what? Like, did you have more chairs to sell? Because I thought we like liquidated that shit a while ago. So like,

HODL (01:57:54.961)

.

CASON (01:58:00.613)

I'm like on to YouTube. But anyways.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:03.212)

This my last chair you guys. Come on.

CASON (01:58:06.267)

Although, like, I'm super hypocritical right now. Like, I'm, actually sitting in a chair, so, like, I should maybe shut the fuck up.

HODL (01:58:12.112)

Disgusting, dude. I used to think better of you.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:13.94)

It gets gross. Gross. Just a fake.

CASON (01:58:15.933)

Yeah, it's fair. know, if we do a political thing, I have to apologize about the kinky shit that's going to come out about me. Nothing illegal, just weird. I'm sorry. But you know, God. No, no, don't don't look that up, you guys. Please make sure your VPN is on if you look that up.

HODL (01:58:17.53)

Can't believe this guy would sit in a chair.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:20.3)

Hmm.

HODL (01:58:24.942)

That chair is a Sibian. It's actually a Sibian, yeah.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:37.772)

I like that we all know what that is though.

HODL (01:58:40.048)

It's like a Howard, it's like a Howard Stern thing from the early 2000s.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:44.812)

Didn't need to be explained. Didn't need to be, you know, like...

CASON (01:58:49.661)

Although like now somebody needs to develop like the lightning fed Sibian thing that like changes the controls on it. I'll let you guys figure that out for yourselves. But yeah, it's always nice to have a group therapy session. God, like why hasn't somebody made only zaps already? Like only fan, like clearly we need to go deeper into the degeneracy of culture and help feed it. But anyways, that's a different story.

HODL (01:58:57.371)

no, no. Only fans and only fans integration.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:58:58.476)

It's another angel for a huddle.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:59:13.078)

I tried to start Footster guys, I tried to start Footster. You can still go to footster.com. I think the website's still active. I think I'm still paying for it. I'll reinvigorate it, I swear.

HODL (01:59:17.072)

By the way, the long tale of OnlyFans shows that there are 2 million women out there who showed their pussy for $50 or less a month. Which is like, that is not good man. If you're a top 0.1 % creator, you're making millions of a month, like cool, I support you I guess, I don't know.

CASON (01:59:20.21)

you.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:59:33.055)

UGH

CASON (01:59:33.917)

No.

HODL (01:59:42.48)

$50 like there's a lot of things you can do to earn $50 aren't showing your pussy to the internet, you know Come on

CASON (01:59:50.159)

Yeah, I don't think that there's a lot of long-term thought going on there, but anyways, much love to you guys. Yeah, can't wait till we do another one of these. It's always fun to have a little group therapy session and realize that not everyone on planet Earth is actually retarded. So it's always nice to meet with other people that have like put multiple brain cells together and like made them collaborate and work together to like figure shit out. But truly it's actually very inspirational to like see and know and understand.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:59:50.526)

Yes.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (01:59:55.861)

No.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:00:08.65)

Not fully, anyway.

HODL (02:00:09.945)

Not fully.

CASON (02:00:19.964)

Because like Bitcoiners are always like several standard deviations removed from any other groupings of people, which is why like working out of Presidio Bitcoin has been so incredible. Because it's like anytime somebody comes through the door, they're always fucking awesome, like irregardless. Whereas like if I go out anywhere else in the world, the heuristic is usually like 99 % of people. We're going to talk about sports wall or other norm stuff that makes me want to become an alcoholic. So that's kind of where we're at.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:00:50.252)

Fucking love you guys. Appreciate your time. And I want to shout out to everybody who joined this on Nostr. We had up to 129 people viewing on Nostr and still have 81 people viewing this live stream on a decentralized censorship resistant protocol. And that's pretty neat. So thank you to the folks who joined.

HODL (02:01:01.513)

Boop boop.

CASON (02:01:08.848)

And look, if each one of those people paid you $1 to show you their pussy or their penis, like, you'd be outperforming OnlyFans.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:01:13.994)

Wait, they're, wait, they're paying. on. on guys. I don't know if that's how the model works. They, paid me to show. I don't know. I'm

HODL (02:01:16.193)

Only zaps, baby.

HODL (02:01:23.908)

That is the dude version of OnlyFans, right? It's like where you pay girls to look at your penis.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:01:25.836)

Now that's a business idea right there.

HODL (02:01:31.395)

We could build that on NOSTER. Look at my penis for $1.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:01:34.354)

on a-

CASON (02:01:39.086)

You guys, I think we have a company.

WALKER - TITCOIN.ORG (02:01:40.268)

Hold on We need to cut this recording right now, so we don't give away too much alpha on this this new this new round Okay, I appreciate you guys. I'm cutting the stream now peace

HODL (02:01:47.119)

This is, no, no.

CASON (02:01:53.084)

See you guys.

This is my dad's friend Bud... He's 93... Just gave him ...

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This is my dad's friend Bud... He's 93... Just gave him one of our soaps SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)... I asked him what the secret is to get to 93 and he said... Marlboro lights and Black Russians... Lol. He says he's slowed down on both though.
PS the black eye is from tripping over the recliner leg rest (nope he didn't have any Black Russians in him)

Bought it from Matt

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Bought it from Matt

Didn't steal it, bought it.

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Didn't steal it, bought it.

Uh no vaccines were taken in @nprofile…d5tl's house ...

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Uh no vaccines were taken in SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)'s house toots... And yes, we needed a vehicle so i could drive it to see my mom for her 80th birthday. Not getting a damn real ID, so flying is not an option.

Isss mah hat nowwwww... Mah ha ha haaaaah! 😂😅🤣🥰

2025-08-19T14:59:26Z

In reply to nevent1q…mnyr
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Isss mah hat nowwwww... Mah ha ha haaaaah! 😂😅🤣🥰

@nprofile…d5tl. Forgot to tell ya!

2025-08-19T01:40:23Z

In reply to nevent1q…ccue
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SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl). Forgot to tell ya!

@nprofile…jtu6... Driving to Pennsylvania to celebrate my ...

2025-08-19T01:39:15Z

ODELL (nprofile…jtu6)... Driving to Pennsylvania to celebrate my mom's 80th birthday. And this is the car that pulled in front of me.. thought it was funny because I also brought your hat! Cool co-inkiedink!

No joke! Not having kids never entered my mind when I was in my ...

2025-08-17T20:47:02Z

In reply to nevent1q…44va
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No joke! Not having kids never entered my mind when I was in my twenties and '30s. In fact that's the one thing I've always been 100% sure of is that I wanted to be a mom... A good mom!

Nostr event nevent1qqst58m60ua00mspgt573e87nmewy8dl5syhhg8h7ua0v2jp8jg4ygszyzj2sr9yhtm6dhq543t9tan7t3qalxgaz5d4x0n7c8tn8j8xxnnj5cwdzc3

2025-08-16T01:23:59Z

Watching Robin Williams on Johnny Carson... Comedic Genius!

We found that we'll NEVER buy peaches in New England... ...

2025-08-15T00:56:31Z

We found that we'll NEVER buy peaches in New England... they're nasty. I need my own orchard

quoting
nevent1q…kjnu
Climate matters so much in fruit flavor.

You don't notice it because the fruit you eat
from the supermarket was picked green.

It's even more noticeable in wine.

nevent1q…ndgf

Was truly an awesome discussion #nevent1q…tuyg

2025-08-15T00:54:08Z

Was truly an awesome discussion

quoting
nevent1q…tuyg
what calle (nprofile…xnfk) did

https://youtu.be/iYbThF8uRA8

Good morning fine nostriches! Thought I'd share my pretty ...

2025-08-13T13:29:32Z

Good morning fine nostriches! Thought I'd share my pretty chicken/cheese omelette... Cuz, why not? I'm all about using leftovers... Are you? #asknostr

So true.. I have never been a patient person ever in my life ...

2025-08-11T19:06:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…cj9w
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So true.. I have never been a patient person ever in my life until I became a bitcoiner. Now I could write a book on it

Some seasons we get hundreds of them in the old farmhouse here. ...

2025-08-11T19:05:40Z

In reply to nevent1q…dwsu
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Some seasons we get hundreds of them in the old farmhouse here. The congregate and all the nooks and crannies in the corners

Lol whoops!... Running around the house today like a chicken with ...

2025-08-11T18:42:30Z

In reply to nevent1q…tx8t
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Lol whoops!... Running around the house today like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get stuff done... sorry, Oshi! 🤣😭😅😂

I'm not a good one to ask, cuz methinks pretty much anything ...

2025-08-11T16:42:42Z

I'm not a good one to ask, cuz methinks pretty much anything dipped in huddle butter is amazing. I do have to admit I have a spoonful of it after dinner on the regular and it's become my favorite

quoting
nevent1q…jeth
Whaaaa no way. Bitcoin_Debstr (npub15j5…zsfe) chime in let him know what you recommend 🫠🔥

Hodlbutter and raw honey is the fckn wayyyy

Every time people say stupid shit on TV, I just think... ...

2025-08-11T16:41:27Z

Every time people say stupid shit on TV, I just think...

@nprofile…d5tl surprised me with not one, but TWO #oshibutters! ...

2025-07-30T22:08:54Z

SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl) surprised me with not one, but TWO #oshibutters! Yay me! oshi (nprofile…scsw)

I suck at memes 🤣😭😅😂 @nprofile…d5tl ...

2025-07-30T00:11:19Z

I suck at memes 🤣😭😅😂 SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)

It was me... Frying them up now! 😋

2025-07-28T22:17:06Z

In reply to nevent1q…wl8h
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It was me... Frying them up now! 😋

Watching now 💪🙌 #nevent1q…3544

2025-07-28T22:15:30Z

Watching now 💪🙌

quoting
nevent1q…3544
Our Parents Are Fighting. The Empire Is Cracking. Bitcoin Doesn’t Care. (EP 75)

going live in 5 minutes 🤘

https://www.youtube.com/live/tAefRzPF7XY?si=hiD59GjgKvGwX8eD

Time for scrambled eggs! @nprofile…xupd 🥰 ...

2025-07-28T12:34:14Z

Time for scrambled eggs! GreatGhee (nprofile…xupd) 🥰

He is... I only accept Bitcoin payment 😜

2025-07-25T00:14:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…pq5j
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He is... I only accept Bitcoin payment 😜

I'm going to sell the Keurig

2025-07-24T18:47:51Z

In reply to nevent1q…u6jv
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I'm going to sell the Keurig

Okay I'm just reading that metal filters don't remove all ...

2025-07-24T18:46:51Z

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Okay I'm just reading that metal filters don't remove all of the "cafestol" and kahweol" like a paper filter would. I think I'm going to stick to our regular coffee pot in the morning and the pour over in the afternoon. I'm going to list the Nespresso on Marketplace and pass it on to some other fool! 🤣

I swear I read somewhere recently that coffee presses aren't ...

2025-07-24T18:43:30Z

In reply to nevent1q…mwmw
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I swear I read somewhere recently that coffee presses aren't good but I don't remember why

You know what? You're so right! What about a regular coffee ...

2025-07-24T18:40:59Z

In reply to nevent1q…m0k8
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You know what? You're so right! What about a regular coffee pot that uses a paper filter?

My brother gave me this mini coffee press. Now I think I have ...

2025-07-24T17:33:44Z

My brother gave me this mini coffee press. Now I think I have like six coffee making contraptions: A regular coffee pot, a French press, a pour over cone, a moka pot, a Keurig, and a Nspresso machine 😫
What's your contraption of choice to make your coffee? #asknostr

Middle school age

2025-07-24T01:19:48Z

In reply to nevent1q…m64l
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Middle school age

@nprofile…d5tl... Ima go out and mark my territory ...

2025-07-24T01:13:59Z

SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)... Ima go out and mark my territory

quoting
nevent1q…0mss
yeah, we have bear and coyotes and mountain lions.
im fairly well armed for this reason. plus, not to be unnecessary crass or weird, but i peed on all of the entry paths to the property to let them know its not their territory anymore 😂

Ok, I'm on it! 😂

2025-07-24T01:11:45Z

In reply to nevent1q…44vz
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Ok, I'm on it! 😂

Love this! I've been making it a routine to walk barefoot ...

2025-07-24T00:27:34Z

In reply to nevent1q…ltg6
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Love this! I've been making it a routine to walk barefoot when I take the dog out for his run (grounding). I'd be scared to freakin death to sleep outside though... Too many bears and wildcats here 🤣😭

Hmmm, I'm gonna fry up my scrambled eggs in it tomorrow ...

2025-07-24T00:24:32Z

Hmmm, I'm gonna fry up my scrambled eggs in it tomorrow morning 🤗

quoting
nevent1q…6s54
GreatGhee (nprofile…7j0q) Congratulations! on the HODL (nprofile…fpyv) shoutout.

GreatGhee (nprofile…7j0q) is one of the great Nostr-only businesses.

DYK: They were the first business client that LZP (nprofile…ky8y) made promotional materials for.

The attached piece is from their “Sats Price Drop” advertising campaign. Because GreatGhee is an sats based operation, their ghee prices keep dropping, so go visit their website for latest pricing.

nevent1q…yewl

And I did a dang good job if I say so myself! 🤭 ...

2025-07-24T00:21:00Z

And I did a dang good job if I say so myself! 🤭

quoting
nevent1q…g6y3
It's official, Soapminer hired it's first part time employee! Bitcoin_Debstr (nprofile…6m2f) is now doing the shipping. 🫡💪

Good luck, toots!

2025-07-23T21:22:26Z

In reply to nevent1q…at72
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Good luck, toots!

I like 5

2025-07-23T00:45:13Z

In reply to nevent1q…82a0
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I like 5

Sorry... Wrong reaction lol

2025-07-22T01:24:56Z

In reply to nevent1q…r7lr
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Sorry... Wrong reaction lol

Great episode Jack... Just when I thought I couldn't be more ...

2025-07-22T01:15:57Z

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Great episode Jack... Just when I thought I couldn't be more bullish!!

Do itttttt 😋

2025-07-22T01:14:02Z

In reply to nevent1q…aqev
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Do itttttt 😋

I'm dyin

2025-07-21T20:46:21Z

In reply to nevent1q…cfy0
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I'm dyin

How did I know something like this would pop up? 🤣🤣🤣

2025-07-21T20:32:25Z

In reply to nevent1q…u06j
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How did I know something like this would pop up? 🤣🤣🤣

Great idea!

2025-07-21T20:25:02Z

In reply to nevent1q…z32c
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Great idea!

Bananas and #oshibutter - Mmmmm @nprofile…scsw ...

2025-07-21T20:22:40Z

Bananas and #oshibutter - Mmmmm
oshi (nprofile…scsw)

Gorgeous!

2025-07-21T17:24:19Z

In reply to nevent1q…2ffn
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Gorgeous!

But I like my attention garnered 😜

2025-07-21T16:16:23Z

In reply to nevent1q…vdhm
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But I like my attention garnered 😜

Always be ...

2025-07-21T16:15:21Z

Always be
And stay hydrated 😛

Bitcoin wives are just built different 💪

2025-07-21T03:18:48Z

In reply to nevent1q…624u
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Bitcoin wives are just built different 💪

I sell vintage and antique goods on etsy for US trash tokens... ...

2025-07-21T00:39:10Z

In reply to nevent1q…2yt4
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I sell vintage and antique goods on etsy for US trash tokens... Wish I was smart enough to create a Bitcoin Etsy. Wait, I need to get set up a store on #shakespeare right, Derek Ross (nprofile…q7kw)?

DATES! (Headslap) #nevent1q…n2cn

2025-07-21T00:07:22Z

DATES! (Headslap)

quoting
nevent1q…n2cn
Now that I’m temporarily out of #hodlbutter I’m curious if it would be wise to create a pre-order list. If you’d like to be first to reserve a jar, shoot me an email 🔥🤞🏼

Oshigood@proton.me

#asknostr #foodstr

I'm savoring my last jar 😛. Bought a huge tub of dated ...

2025-07-21T00:06:34Z

I'm savoring my last jar 😛. Bought a huge tub of dated just it!

quoting
nevent1q…n2cn
Now that I’m temporarily out of #hodlbutter I’m curious if it would be wise to create a pre-order list. If you’d like to be first to reserve a jar, shoot me an email 🔥🤞🏼

Oshigood@proton.me

#asknostr #foodstr

Good evening fine people 🥰 ...

2025-07-21T00:04:28Z

Good evening fine people 🥰
If ya gotta buy goods...
SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl) oshi (nprofile…scsw) BitBees (nprofile…gfsu) Leathermint (nprofile…2s0f) Barnminer (nprofile…kctf) BenJustman (nprofile…66av)

@nprofile…scsw @nprofile…66av@barnminer @nprofile…d5tl ...

2025-07-20T23:52:26Z

oshi (nprofile…scsw) BenJustman (nprofile…66av)@barnminer SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)

quoting
nevent1q…clck
My laptop's cuter than your laptop 😛

My laptop's cuter than your laptop 😛 ...

2025-07-20T21:32:31Z

My laptop's cuter than your laptop 😛

Warches! Bahahahaaaa 😝. Can we get an edit button? #asknostr

2025-07-18T20:35:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…lgay
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Warches! Bahahahaaaa 😝. Can we get an edit button? #asknostr

Just did a Facebook Marketplace transaction with a woman who is ...

2025-07-18T19:15:39Z

Just did a Facebook Marketplace transaction with a woman who is the same age as me (58). Of course the conversation was led to Bitcoin by me. She said she heard of it and thought it was a video game. I have my work cut out for me.
#ohboy

My dog warches me try to orange pill people

Wow! Talk about Camouflage... This little inchworm has all the ...

2025-07-16T16:26:48Z

Wow! Talk about Camouflage... This little inchworm has all the little nubbies and everything just like the stick he was climbing on. Ya gotta love nature!

THREE Schwarbombs!! @nprofile…w4kf ...

2025-07-16T11:59:42Z

THREE Schwarbombs!! MartyBent (nprofile…w4kf)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMJ4llvOzKi/?igsh=YzU3bGIwMGZ0dzU=

Are you kidding me... I have dessert for breakfast! Dates dipped ...

2025-07-15T14:51:15Z

Are you kidding me... I have dessert for breakfast! Dates dipped in hodl butter, brudda 😜

quoting
nevent1q…wf9y
With no #hodlbutter?? Bruhhhh

Fried egg, bacon, cheddar and avacado on 0 net carb tortillas. ...

2025-07-15T14:47:24Z

Fried egg, bacon, cheddar and avacado on 0 net carb tortillas. Made it to almost 11 am today. I'm getting there

Good tips! 😁

2025-07-15T01:14:47Z

In reply to nevent1q…w50a
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Good tips! 😁

Now that's depressing

2025-07-14T14:09:36Z

In reply to nevent1q…0aad
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Now that's depressing

I'd like to extend my fast way further in my day but after 2 ...

2025-07-14T13:28:52Z

I'd like to extend my fast way further in my day but after 2 cups of black coffee, I'm so ready for breakfast! 😫

quoting
nevent1q…crjr
Everybody fasts, while they are sleeping. Hence break fast when we wake. Well done Debstar x

I just need to lengthen my "break"! Lol

2025-07-14T13:03:59Z

In reply to nevent1q…t222
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I just need to lengthen my "break"! Lol

Good morning nostriches!! @nprofile…5cfd post about fasting ...

2025-07-14T12:59:31Z

Good morning nostriches!! jack mallers (nprofile…5cfd) post about fasting inspired me to attempt it. I made it till almost 9:00... Does that count?

So glad you like it! My man has skills!

2025-07-11T19:22:34Z

In reply to nevent1q…n0f6
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So glad you like it! My man has skills!

I know I'm biased but I truly do love the soap he makes!

2025-07-11T13:03:49Z

In reply to nevent1q…vpt5
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I know I'm biased but I truly do love the soap he makes!

Popped into my head while I was in the shower this morning 🫶 ...

2025-07-11T13:02:12Z

Popped into my head while I was in the shower this morning 🫶 SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl) 😎

Oh yeah, I noticed that... I like em!!

2025-07-07T01:24:22Z

In reply to nevent1q…ru32
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Oh yeah, I noticed that... I like em!!

Should have said going "on" a date

2025-07-07T00:12:55Z

In reply to nevent1q…9389
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Should have said going "on" a date

Gonna have a date with @nprofile…tter! 😋 ...

2025-07-07T00:11:26Z

Gonna have a date with nprofile1qqswp94gnm4epqsgjkndl4lnd8krzdj5u4mzuppdtxksdymkty63g7gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsz9mhwden5te0ve5kcar9wghxummnw3ezuamfdejsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9e3k76twdaeju6t0tdc7a2butter (nprofile…tter)! 😋

Breakfast! Happy Independence Day! ❤️🤍💙 #bitcoin brings ...

2025-07-05T14:23:16Z

Breakfast! Happy Independence Day!
❤️🤍💙 #bitcoin brings true independence

Gotcha

2025-07-02T23:47:41Z

In reply to nevent1q…25pr
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Gotcha

Wut? Just for the hell of it?

2025-07-01T23:07:07Z

In reply to nevent1q…cm5u
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Wut? Just for the hell of it?

I think I fell asleep watching this #nevent1q…da8s

2025-07-01T00:27:21Z

I think I fell asleep watching this

quoting
nevent1q…da8s
China has launched its first AI robot soccer tournament in Beijing, featuring fully autonomous gameplay.

Nostr event nevent1qqsxxuh62jx0caxkpef30vnuwku3yuzasvyk0z5cwms6hl3fd7gkx4qzyzj2sr9yhtm6dhq543t9tan7t3qalxgaz5d4x0n7c8tn8j8xxnnj568nxz9

2025-07-01T00:26:07Z

https://x.com/SGBarbour/status/1939572548183928863?t=jxmpv_Y9BgcEOGpHkeJskA&s=09

Beach day! Ogunquit, Maine ...

2025-06-19T21:08:14Z

Beach day! Ogunquit, Maine

I wish

2025-06-18T17:42:41Z

In reply to nevent1q…q379
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I wish

Amazing, isn't it?

2025-06-18T17:40:52Z

In reply to nevent1q…rpm2
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Amazing, isn't it?

Or tallow

2025-06-18T17:07:29Z

In reply to nevent1q…u9d6
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Or tallow

I agree! So disgusting

2025-06-18T17:07:11Z

In reply to nevent1q…r7fa
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I agree! So disgusting

#Toxic #fiatshit ...

2025-06-18T16:52:07Z

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#Toxic #fiatshit

More poison... Bath & Bodyworks candles are pure crap ...

2025-06-18T16:49:53Z

More poison... Bath & Bodyworks candles are pure crap #asknostr #amiright?

At ULTA in the mall (my visiting daughter wanted to come here). I ...

2025-06-18T16:19:51Z

At ULTA in the mall (my visiting daughter wanted to come here).
I can't believe women spend their paychecks on all this crap.
SoapMiner (nprofile…d5tl)

Why? #asknostr

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God! LOVE ITTTTTTTT! 😂😂😂 ...

2025-06-17T12:27:30Z

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God! LOVE ITTTTTTTT! 😂😂😂

quoting
nevent1q…hp5d
@pup is the next Beethoven 👇😂
nevent1q…07nn

Nostr event nevent1qqszp9n4yf2m09stsckm33jaqqcll6myg2ajfjh6mhsvwm8h23uk2aczyzj2sr9yhtm6dhq543t9tan7t3qalxgaz5d4x0n7c8tn8j8xxnnj5prymqg

2025-06-15T22:47:34Z

Happy Father's Day to the #nostredads 👔!

Go Nina, go! 🥰 Glad she is yours now #nevent1q…qpgm

2025-06-15T22:40:52Z

Go Nina, go! 🥰 Glad she is yours now

quoting
nevent1q…qpgm
This is Nina 🐮

She came to us nearly 9 months ago as a cull cow from a dairy.
They couldn't get her in calf so she was going to be removed from production.
They tried several rounds of artificial insemination and had her in with a bull at each cycle but had no success. The day before we picked her up she was seen to be serviced by a bull but they were certain it wouldn't take.
We got her really cheap with a couple of days old calves thrown in for free (these calves are removed from their mothers to ensure milk production for the dairy and were to be destroyed along with Nina)
She was putting out 20L of milk a day when we got her and at that point and the calves were a great help in sharing the milk as we started learning all about milking, care of a house cow and dairy production on the homestead.
We were told she's a moody cow at times and that she's not a particular friendly girl.
Well TBone (nprofile…6ppy) spent hours with her every day. Milking, giving her treats and lots of pats and care. Her condition improved rapidly after she arrived at our farm. She has become my favourite cow. She's sweet, loves pats, is gentle, stands calm and compliant when milking.
Well Nina did get in calf from that bull and has maintained the pregnancy really well. She's started showing early signs of calving soon so we are eagerly awaiting our first calf on the homestead.
And this will be the first calf that Nina gets to keep and mother herself.
There is lots to be excited about here at the moment.

Driving through dumbass Connecticut HFSP! @nprofile…75w5 ...

2025-06-13T22:38:33Z

Driving through dumbass Connecticut HFSP!
SoapMiner (nprofile…75w5)

Whoa... Safe travels bud!

2025-06-13T12:31:45Z

In reply to nevent1q…lyn0
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Whoa... Safe travels bud!

I'm great! Heading to my hometown for a graduation ceremony. ...

2025-06-13T12:29:00Z

In reply to nevent1q…ck7z
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I'm great! Heading to my hometown for a graduation ceremony. My faughter and new boyfriend coming next week for a visit... How are you love?

Always, Nicksta!

2025-06-13T12:27:18Z

In reply to nevent1q…cg4g
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Always, Nicksta!

Good morning #nostr! Soft yolks are better than hard yolks... ...

2025-06-13T12:21:51Z

Good morning #nostr!
Soft yolks are better than hard yolks... Fight me 🧐

🔥🔥🔥 #nevent1q…an4c

2025-06-11T14:13:06Z

🔥🔥🔥

quoting
nevent1q…an4c
JUST IN: #Bitcoin hashrate hits a new ATH 🚀