2026-08-01T08:25:45Z https://nostr.ae J Lou https://nostr.ae/npub1tjutahja77cwh9l3f8yyg2us8gfe927zhlk9w87fsk7lw24939xqrdladn https://files.mastodon.social/accounts/avatars/110/736/926/255/883/573/original/1f2c314d447137e1.png https://files.mastodon.social/accounts/avatars/110/736/926/255/883/573/original/1f2c314d447137e1.png https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvr5g335svwn5x8nfl3tpeemgl2jryuqhjm6qvcg3p3qt0ywdrszszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cg60va8 <span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person"><a itemprop="url" href="/npub1qkum5wltl3f2e36cpglykymjmwqqccshx2g4wq8szrnzl4e6u67sq7mlsf" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1"><span>Arthur Ionescu</span> (<span class="italic">npub1qku…mlsf</span>)</a></span> I&#39;ve cited your consequentialist judgement paradox to utilitarians I&#39;ve come across and they generally say that the judging agent can just lie to avoid the bad consequences the trickster element will create. 2026-05-14T04:38:04Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsqh7rmtc087c6eglv6slgvykfh2856g22qgd4sdpxqx86d9ythafgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cdk3020 I made my first loop. It&#39;s about the biggest form of theft in America<br/><br/><a href="https://loops.video/v/fozO-PC_V3">https://loops.video/v/fozO-PC_V3</a><br/><br/>#philosophy #ethics #law #crime #politics #uspol #USPolitics #socialism #loops 2026-05-02T20:19:48Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs88zzy4609tqlppvhlknqf2n5uc7gc3xwj9gcxc87csrzaxwa2j9czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cklht9f In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqstmd9cjjkzqpta98la833jnl5qp53f5vkc7f2zzth03suymv75lpca7cmxv'>nevent1q…cmxv</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>you can have a non-capitalist market economy where all firms are worker co-ops and workers are guaranteed voting rights in the firm they work in. Such a system would be based on voluntary interactions as well. <br/><br/>Etymologically, why do you think that capitalism is named after a specific factor of production? 2026-04-29T21:16:18Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfunp93f6dx6zfd0kv7lku5e6nvvznwql74c8nd389s5fa0fuqurgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c2l9mmy RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116485778465538961">https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116485778465538961</a><br/><br/>In which a pro-capitalist admits that they see guaranteeing workers some voting rights in the firm as equivalent to #Nazism and #fascism. <br/><br/>In fact, such a regulation is more so inline with a minimum wage. It essentially requires minimum compensation to including voting rights in the firm. I don’t see how pro-capitalists can see the former as perfectly acceptable, but the latter as unacceptable.<br/><br/>#capitalism #socialism #liberalism #liberal #economics #PolticalEconomy #philosophy #ethics<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note13uwpmydp25hr7etamqw9uyt5269rcxdya2m6tvgy5laf7u9euavsdxkt4t" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note13uw…kt4t</a></span><br/> </div> abolishing slavery is mandated anti-slavery in the same way. Minimum wage is mandated minimum pay. The comparison to Nazism and Fascism is completely unwarranted and a false equivalence logical fallacy. What we’re talking about is a minimum-wage-like regulation where workers are guaranteed voting rights in the firm they work in. If you think minimum wage is acceptable, there is no reason to think this isn’t acceptable as well. </blockquote> 2026-04-29T03:58:48Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsg78qajxs42t3lv47as8z7z969dz3urxjw4da9kyz2075lwzu7wkgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ckm6pcc In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsp2drjkt050q8qvfvmt92pmngftwnp3jmthzywdpzhr4263lklyuc8sfy7s'>nevent1q…fy7s</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>abolishing slavery is mandated anti-slavery in the same way. Minimum wage is mandated minimum pay. The comparison to Nazism and Fascism is completely unwarranted and a false equivalence logical fallacy. What we’re talking about is a minimum-wage-like regulation where workers are guaranteed voting rights in the firm they work in. If you think minimum wage is acceptable, there is no reason to think this isn’t acceptable as well. 2026-04-29T03:05:22Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqspc8z0cjaxr2rxdard6y8uvthuwu5qg03nga4egpsu95zwnzx049qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cemehxs In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqst93sk9v2hgdy9dtmaply33t02syu0wdwcfuwne3rhr9gxl7quyxgksdj6c'>nevent1q…dj6c</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>there has never been a worker co-op free market economy where all firms were mandated to be worker co-op.<br/><br/>With respect to common ownership, the economist E. Glen Weyl has come up with a mechanism to implement common ownership in a way that works with markets called common ownership self-assessed tax.<br/><br/>David Ellerman is developing the worker co-ops with free markets model. What I advocate is a hybrid of these two models 2026-04-29T02:34:29Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqst93sk9v2hgdy9dtmaply33t02syu0wdwcfuwne3rhr9gxl7quyxgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ck2t3a4 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsp6gfj3epvv3g0weqh20u5vhx67dc6wg24f6wvmt24tkcgsnpdc9g506x9c'>nevent1q…6x9c</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>“That these are not widely implemented speaks to issues and problems”<br/><br/>This doesn’t follow. Just because there aren’t many worker co-ops doesn’t mean the model doesn’t or can’t work. Would political democracy be a common distribution of political voting rights if political voting rights in elections were tradable as economic voting rights in firm are today?<br/><br/>Shareholders aren’t governed by management. Democratic principles would give workers voting rights.<br/><br/>🎨David Ellerman<br/> <img src="https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/116/485/631/788/071/004/original/29c4a7aac12985b3.png"> <br/> 2026-04-29T02:25:11Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9mltrl95ke9c8a6n35eqer4fptrtduxf7lq0l4kpcc3enhsnlxmgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cjzdmn0 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9qt59vznv6m02qlkljn3m7qn6rluygskvvamfn56m2us2cqlzq3czyea8y'>nevent1q…ea8y</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>it’s pretty clear what that alternative is: workplace democracy and common ownership. I agree that private ownership will continue to have a role, but #capitalism doesn’t satisfy the principles of private property namely people getting the positive and negative fruits of their labor, which remain unsatisfied under all forms of capitalism. <br/><br/>As for economists, they have come up with new models for common ownership to make it viable in a market economy. 2026-04-28T16:42:24Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs24s7dvxkpct6s3mxxxv0l074gqc33jksggheu897sk5sgsj2a4aszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cfdk7h4 RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116428047976912491">https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116428047976912491</a><br/><br/>This is what I don’t understand about the #Marxist critique of idealism. How can you advocate social change without having some criteria (an ideal) to assess situations and institutional arrangements? Materialism in the Marxist seems to be #moralnihilist, which deprives motivation for action to achieve social change. Marxists feel free to correct any misunderstandings I have and better explain the critique of idealism.<br/><br/>#Marxism #Socialism #Communism #philosophy #ethics #nihilism<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note1fukyacdxnzej50h6acvqqhavj47tgmfvyyd96v6cn88haxar8suqgu5e8m" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note1fuk…5e8m</a></span><br/> </div> why would someone who doesn’t believe in any idealisms think hunger and homelessness in the world is a problem?<br/><br/>I agree that god is an incoherent concept. </blockquote> 2026-04-19T22:50:57Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs0z6vxzrgv574q7chgeckgma99vu9c3rujm5m23l68fm4nmwlgusqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c86glld In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs92ahqmp94ufzx8eu9ye950k9gfmtzlxj6wemzkmet4vzvs75k2lcseryhd'>nevent1q…ryhd</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>we need mechanisms like quadratic funding to enable grants to be bigger than investments 2026-04-19T17:40:11Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs92ahqmp94ufzx8eu9ye950k9gfmtzlxj6wemzkmet4vzvs75k2lczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cape9th In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfj0a2hvlgh3tja3nvd66mw7l37vunf247j60fmdkgqw0n20guj7qz33dlg'>nevent1q…3dlg</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>the lack of a good funding model for FOSS and the free software definitions unfortunately inclusion of capitalist use. We need more radical software licenses like Copyfarleft to address the economic rights side of software development. 2026-04-19T17:39:08Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsy7tzwuxnf3ve28mawuxqqt7kf2l95d5kzzxjaxdvfnnm7nw3ncwqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c4c60mj In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs2meqrltw9u8nkkvymxvaeejy0s866whvy5z4948ye29jyq65pz4gu7kass'>nevent1q…kass</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>why would someone who doesn’t believe in any idealisms think hunger and homelessness in the world is a problem?<br/><br/>I agree that god is an incoherent concept. 2026-04-18T22:23:45Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8yssadhpw2027phhsmynx2axks8zcrkg2rg40acjk9ds9s5j2vcqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c47g7hf In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfa00ahu3elf7jmt2prw3t3j25qcwaxnj0pxxz266hj80rf23wskceg4lp6'>nevent1q…4lp6</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>why should society prosper or even survive without appealing to any idealism? Also, what does it mean for a society to prosper? Why is social reproduction of the human species essential without appealing to any idealism? 2026-04-18T21:52:04Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsqnsh3g0qu9wtdqns6r5s5lkk8km4y8dhz7wwsttf6lfxvx9yzwdqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c2qrld8 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsgyp7g0fsdwlm8n3smuly7skuwj3m68z0vrvrgcps3ucl52ka0huql2wh5q'>nevent1q…wh5q</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>How is “from each according to their abilities, to each according to their need” not idealist? Also, I don’t understand where the motivation to change things comes from if not from some ethical framework to assess different situations. 2026-04-18T21:12:16Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9frd45cs95mv0sv6ygaxzwmr0q8vl7sujm58cqwy4xxrasc7a9dgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c8cuyjk RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@kalokagathia/116420995734784788">https://mastodon.social/@kalokagathia/116420995734784788</a><br/><br/>The correct consequentialist ethic is maximizing freedom not pleasure. Freedom has useful properties in that it is objective and interpersonally comparable.<br/><br/>#ethics #philosophy<br/>nostr:note1ncu0g57k86xhnpkf0nuazeay9kyalf535gs246yk242qxulrlgfse3j8ch<br/> 2026-04-17T18:38:03Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsw9jcsjfgl3ksydxwynpqm00qfuarpurwdamyhrutfmzznpwqa40czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cgqq42u In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9r9wtxpguaqnke9uj02a0rsxf32p9y04sqneqqxmh3ahj27d5nxgudzn9x'>nevent1q…zn9x</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>isn’t the whole point to actually change things, so some aspect will have not existed before whatever improvement one advocates? 2026-04-17T16:40:19Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9r9wtxpguaqnke9uj02a0rsxf32p9y04sqneqqxmh3ahj27d5nxgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c3hwcu4 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9untrxwnhzvhw4nl4q9ymu8aymr0pvtqrc57fslllzpdn23g5mqqv7e57n'>nevent1q…e57n</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I clearly make a distinction between liberalism the historical tradition and liberalism, the coherent political philosophies. The beliefs of the former can diverge from what the latter actually implies like with any serious theory. 2026-04-17T16:39:07Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsrh8dh2f4wvsv3khjsq0ved9gh52ug4mk6tgl5mn5v7npnnhpnflszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5catkwaj In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0erca84kjvhryg4cm43ye6grqvpzvfuq3we2lsdt66plyh8hwfhqsu4yhc'>nevent1q…4yhc</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>do you have sources on Native American origins of inalienable rights? That sounds interesting. <br/><br/>The theory of inalienable rights in the older language was developed by many figures including liberal socialist Thomas Hodgskin and Anton Menger.<br/><br/>Locke was wrong. Locke’s acceptance of slavery violates the basic liberal principle of responsibility imputation. Even Locke had a weaker theory of inalienable rights, which ruled out selling rights to life 2026-04-17T16:32:26Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsrl0j7ce7pva3wxf5dc7cp4jy0lahzgxchzz9nuhv5aggacysyfrczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cyzxf9q In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs99w9mphl0ffnwgp62xt78acvqr3rnzs7hznmchp0w5ts3cp9786qmc0vym'>nevent1q…0vym</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Colonialism is ruled out by Georgist arguments about natural resources being unowned.<br/><a href="https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/">https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/</a> 2026-04-17T16:14:12Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs99w9mphl0ffnwgp62xt78acvqr3rnzs7hznmchp0w5ts3cp9786qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cuk2yez In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9r3jgr20fg7ds2t3r574lwqpkjn5n6ns5e0hjlh0utnayfs83wqguvlkmp'>nevent1q…lkmp</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>people can’t be property under classical liberal principles due to the theory of inalienable rights that Ellerman has restated in modern terms. It shows that simple liberal principles like the idea that people should be held responsible for the results of their actions imply anti-slavery and anti-capitalism. Private property rests on the principle that people have an inalienable right to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of their labor 2026-04-17T16:12:31Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfs3c9hc7sfhacmuemmxdytns0z7dw5hs0c8ur5d8jdrev3uhuazgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c49aljf In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0zm258jdzst99uknw5ce06vy6jtegjwpz3r3ckgdg2mayewj37lcqv3fy6'>nevent1q…3fy6</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>although Trump probably hates even right-wing interpretations of liberalism as he is a fascist 2026-04-17T16:04:06Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs0zm258jdzst99uknw5ce06vy6jtegjwpz3r3ckgdg2mayewj37lczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c3pzt4g In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxcdmdk9vgzlhmet33hrvwmutfykagtdy2ajfp0ss93nw8qk2wl4czwpxht'>nevent1q…pxht</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>liberalism, the political philosophy, itself isn’t responsible for these atrocities because the philosophy doesn’t imply or support them. Adherents being able to take illiberal actions is a critique of that liberal democracy for not effectively restraining power. The US’s checks on power have proven to be quite weak, its first past the post voting system is deeply unrepresentative, and various illiberal historical decisions exacerbate that. 2026-04-17T16:01:55Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfy9apyf3cqgfdyyf2k6crk2kxxkp40re67rsg9y2eatj2kdl37zczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5clev4er RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116404927297992057">https://mastodon.social/@jlou/116404927297992057</a><br/><br/>It can be shown that the set of omniscient beings is empty using the sentence:<br/><br/>This sentence isn’t known to be true by any omniscient being.<br/><br/>Since some religions hinge on omniscient being existing, this sentence shows the fallacy involved in those religions.<br/><br/>#atheism #atheist #secularism #secular #theism #theist #religion #philosophy<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note1lztz03ca26gv2exjw2lmu008xzyaxv6ae35943ghgnl4nlvvlz9qwj2mje" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note1lzt…2mje</a></span><br/> </div> isn’t it an argumentum an ad populum logical fallacy to assert because some belief has survived for a long time that it must contain some truth? Islam and Christianity are demonstrably false. Omniscience, as a concept, is logically contradictory. Consider the sentence:<br/><br/>This sentence isn’t known to be true to any omniscient being. </blockquote> 2026-04-14T21:00:32Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs03938cuw4dyx9vnf890a78hnnpzwnxdwuc6z6c5t5fl6elkx03zszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cde0z02 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsx9vj9fxmq6lagr73apm44dtken8a3k2uurrh6gfqyg7n9qrgnylgwrwcf6'>nevent1q…wcf6</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>isn’t it an argumentum an ad populum logical fallacy to assert because some belief has survived for a long time that it must contain some truth? Islam and Christianity are demonstrably false. Omniscience, as a concept, is logically contradictory. Consider the sentence:<br/><br/>This sentence isn’t known to be true to any omniscient being. 2026-04-14T20:23:51Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsxgs5pt9kv5kzje9k43z838hn50zwgqs7stx5jxzg9fpus4f7czfgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cj4uw0c In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsyz6gf4v7cchxf9l8yp96e9mjtp3ys3kx9uv8kurdahcfzmanfc3st5366m'>nevent1q…366m</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Inalienable rights are just rights with the additional requirement that consent is not a sufficient condition to transfer or extinguish them. Worker control is an example of inalienable right because voting rights in the firm can’t be given up by individual workers contractually 2026-04-14T05:46:14Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs2v34ez3cf6e52trs7ylrwar0cnc0secftmw3g0dleh3jlwwsxqqszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cvhmn35 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsqeat3tsa5qch67l5ckdgph3em0ghfngf3xlhne4w9ezdzuxccteqxnlhln'>nevent1q…lhln</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>this would be resolved in an economy where inalienable rights were protected and workplace democracy was legally mandated<br/><br/>[@sz_duras](<a href="https://me.dm/@sz_duras">https://me.dm/@sz_duras</a> ) <span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person"><a itemprop="url" href="/npub1u026ztty3m0ytkpjll70saawds48fk7t5sl3werqjzm7dnl7stvqvf7jlx" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1"><span>fear is not a Weltanschauung</span> (<span class="italic">npub1u02…7jlx</span>)</a></span> 2026-02-09T03:23:38Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsqeat3tsa5qch67l5ckdgph3em0ghfngf3xlhne4w9ezdzuxccteqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cx3tjf8 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqswjwj9gz4u9wrljq0lwflpw88a56lf7rhwctd66gjasdptm49n0yqtlfmvp'>nevent1q…fmvp</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>democratic companies can make number go up just fine.<br/><br/>In an economy where the legal rights to appropriate the fruits of one’s labor are treated as alienable, there is a collective action problem with formation worker co-ops. All workers have to cooperate to ensure a co-op is formed, but an employer can just individually deal with each worker resulting in a capitalist company being formed. The collective action issue is the same as with unionization 2026-02-09T03:22:48Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsf5skkj2vfsv73ulc0g28cy4j86mqaww5hpshys2jrn87j84xsmpgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cqs2h98 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqstvatnlzzvnjpc0zn94j4a7qvkf5gxv88vdy6rfjm0wyq7zgym83csq96h9'>nevent1q…96h9</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>the key to an egalitarian liberalism is inalienability. The idea that there are some rights that persons can’t give up even with consent. These rights will always stay under egalitarian distribution because they can’t concentrate or accumulate. We need to institute more such rights and have more rights that are closer to inalienable on the spectrum to alienable. 2026-02-08T23:15:26Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqstvatnlzzvnjpc0zn94j4a7qvkf5gxv88vdy6rfjm0wyq7zgym83czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c80324h In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs94hru8setr5mee64nmgfty36n273s6ldtzuv8w9l3wde8d96ya6qjxct9j'>nevent1q…ct9j</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I don’t think that liberalism necessitates thinking markets in the real world or people are fully rational. Competitive markets work better than alternatives for private goods, but otherwise capitalism and elite decision-makers under it are irrational and inefficient. This is why changing things is possible at all.<br/><br/><a href="https://wedontagree.net/collective-action-problems-are-not-a-capitalist-plot">https://wedontagree.net/collective-action-problems-are-not-a-capitalist-plot</a> 2026-02-08T23:05:09Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs94hru8setr5mee64nmgfty36n273s6ldtzuv8w9l3wde8d96ya6qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cegndrn In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqstmpeaycmd3fsqpcvcnax30996vw0usvutum9ushlffwzc0z9xefcqguzzq'>nevent1q…uzzq</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>monopoly is more inefficient simply because there is no check that the monopoly is doing things efficiently because there are no other providers to compare quality and price to.<br/><br/>Exploitation exists because it is more difficult for poor majorities to cooperate to protect their interests than corrupt concentrated wealthy interests to coordinate. Contra-#Marx #capitalism is deeply inefficient at producing much of the goods that matter like public goods. 2026-02-08T22:55:38Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqstmpeaycmd3fsqpcvcnax30996vw0usvutum9ushlffwzc0z9xefczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cmx3n43 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxft09qusx55jfywmfg5ll8m7dqsr7cv5u6w4e9l2x7mny4un5q9c6xdd0z'>nevent1q…dd0z</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>there is no evidence that democratically-run companies are outcompeted by capitalist companies. To the contrary, worker co-ops are more resilient once formed, and have a lower failure rate than employer-employee businesses. Withholding property from the market is called the holdout problem. That problem is solvable with common ownership where buyers have an option to compel possessors to transfer property. 2026-02-08T22:54:09Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsxft09qusx55jfywmfg5ll8m7dqsr7cv5u6w4e9l2x7mny4un5q9czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5chjzd0y In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsrlawxpnl78whjgvnzy5cn97hsjmu6ultmw4l538xa2sdnm5p7u0c6h696f'>nevent1q…696f</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Ellerman’s argument against capitalism directly implies a clear alternative. This alternative shows that there are different ways to someone who thinks capitalism is the only way to organize society, but doesn’t like how it treats people or its other outcomes. 2026-02-08T22:48:22Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsgnz46wn30rc5tpc96qpm3znwku5unujtmw2cvw5hh8h9qcdwuasszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cew52s7 The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics<br/><br/><a href="https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in">https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in</a><br/><br/>[@economics_that_works](<a href="https://fedigroups.social/@economics_that_works">https://fedigroups.social/@economics_that_works</a> ) <br/><br/>#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality 2026-02-07T08:10:45Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqswp7hmzahn36jzhlkwgyk550aryv9g0yu90p3zhvms2emd4ewe4fgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cp9cud0 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsggc7k3u2s084usu8vlyf5rygpx4n4fv7m4px85pvupxyexrxmyzqagjq5g'>nevent1q…jq5g</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>wow carnists think killing guardianless children is fine and cites Epstein as a defense. You can’t make this shit up 2026-02-06T21:35:36Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqstd39usqxeayj5lk4xgz44v50g4plgf4vl35nv7ugwwj8x4vkaltczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cg86ejj In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsvxy00hers98l4eau3msmg49u7tg7zmnuugdd3a85r3jfjhg2tqzg65lph0'>nevent1q…lph0</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>your dodge appeal to guardianship doesn’t change the fact that toddlers have moral value independent of guardianship. 2026-02-06T21:12:10Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvxy00hers98l4eau3msmg49u7tg7zmnuugdd3a85r3jfjhg2tqzgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cgf7gu2 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsz4z57dnnsacqvv7vtc9ssm6z6a77xumna5kdt6vzfxuyqvfrjlkg4q79yf'>nevent1q…79yf</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I’m not going to dox myself for an internet argument. Animals don’t have to demand anything. There are moral patients as is clear from toddlers and infants. The traits that distinguish moral agents aren’t required for having moral value. 2026-02-06T21:09:06Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8k9hnhccae8z2gkms3qwtsgffxtz8ukukkuap7rd8zr3ncy5vacgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ctv45m7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfsskdq54590ny99k706540rtptn62g2dge7yyn8esug0my5z7p7q79qa78'>nevent1q…qa78</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Vampires are moral agents. They’re responsible for any murders they choose to commit. <br/><br/>This is also a false equivalence. All we are asking is for humans not to kill animals when it isn’t even necessary for their own survival. Humanity can thrive without killing animals. 2026-02-06T20:56:12Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsqksm9lg28pvu77js33rerecysenugf5tsn0ztmx7hl06ywaftqwczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ct7807y In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsf4am0xquunehs675nrm35ua948p0024xdrvnl2t4hadxhndnlcjquuh3vs'>nevent1q…h3vs</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>the point is the circumstances, under which most meat eating occurs, render meat eating unnecessary 2026-02-06T20:35:40Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsf4am0xquunehs675nrm35ua948p0024xdrvnl2t4hadxhndnlcjqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ct56pwv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqstl4asg8fuad7d6455f6d99jxxldtu2x95nnvxrg4sqvg9y2hxadchgxc8u'>nevent1q…xc8u</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>We should interfere in nature to reduce wild animal suffering, but that is more complicated than the straw man you’ve constructed of banning predation. Moral agents shouldn’t intentionally cause increases in total suffering for personal pleasure.<br/><br/>Also, pro-animal people don’t think that eating animals, under absolutely any circumstances is wrong, anymore than eating people is wrong in cases where there is extreme starvation and deprivation. You’re engaged in a straw man 2026-02-06T20:34:11Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8cdventd50xxqwvqgugtvddgxmn3l8rsk7fmc0e4rhmng63288dszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c6tlfua In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqstj056c4n0qjuf0x6ys4cwquwxlgul4thpm2u007ay7wklyp5e7qc8679jv'>nevent1q…79jv</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>this is a reductio ad absurdum of your position. You literally just admitted that you believe toddlers have no inherent moral value. What if the moral agents whose guardianship they’re under are abusive? How does your faux-morality handle that?<br/><br/>#ethics #philosophy #morals #moral #veganism #vegan #debate 2026-02-06T19:53:24Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvvd637t6v2ccayss409lhjmus5sdp57advldxh9ctcty3c8p36tgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cej9pg7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqszx0p6fnhyeefxpgrje2qdzrgzth82g8wfmlr0f9vltp7h2xz80yg4xjr49'>nevent1q…jr49</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I don’t see why what you’re saying is even relevant. Toddlers have moral value but they can’t argue for it. 2026-02-06T19:43:00Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9nh9d24jxs4u76acsda8han74lscxnu0n4n07gf63ztevft7k96gzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cek7xgg In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsd78m4w4w488vlnwz005weqxw6zlzmrt96uu85j662s20why4ppycmp5q05'>nevent1q…5q05</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution. <br/><br/>Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation. <br/><br/>[@sz_duras](<a href="https://me.dm/@sz_duras">https://me.dm/@sz_duras</a> ) <br/><br/>#philosophy #utilitarianism #consequentialism 2026-02-01T17:33:09Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsd78m4w4w488vlnwz005weqxw6zlzmrt96uu85j662s20why4ppyczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5crvx3aj In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsdt6yaf9yxtygeklmyz3nvcvraatz7njrhfx0nshl85r989kkaq2sf6nekw'>nevent1q…nekw</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Depending on the particulars of the #utilitarian argument, the case can work or not. If it is preference/desire satisfaction utilitarianism the case for capitalism follows from that any mutually beneficial transaction improves welfare. Capitalist employment is that assuming full consent. My response to such arguments is debunking #consequentialist #ethics. And rejecting collective preference satisfaction as the good in favor of freedom. 2026-02-01T17:24:08Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsdt6yaf9yxtygeklmyz3nvcvraatz7njrhfx0nshl85r989kkaq2szypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c0ekxnh In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsd5pt6h8632g9jegygkd3vetrfjm62efn3tqsg9cudxraa5z7nq5q7uv0ex'>nevent1q…v0ex</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The issues you raise with competition between firms are mostly resolved by worker #democracy. Those that aren’t can be resolve by wealth and income redistribution to address #inequality. Monopolies being inefficient is compatible with monopolies being immensely profitable. They profit at the expense of consumer product quality or unreasonable prices in the long term. Part of capitalism’s inefficiency is insufficiently competitive markets and oligopoly. 2026-02-01T17:20:08Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsd5pt6h8632g9jegygkd3vetrfjm62efn3tqsg9cudxraa5z7nq5qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cpfz43x In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsz8ea5ht9psvemgfgegj4jyr42rz6nl35x6hw6jdaxq46w8tffl9cf8hjl5'>nevent1q…hjl5</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>You still have to show people that are mistaken how they are wrong to bring them over to the anticapitalist side. <br/><br/>It depends on the grounds they’re arguing for capitalism on. <br/><br/>If Nozick’s arguments worked, they would hold regardless of actually existing capitalism’s practice. Nozick doesn’t advocate actually existing capitalism. Of course, Ellerman shows that Nozick’s #libertarian defense of #capitalism fails 2026-02-01T17:13:24Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvde57u4v7k3zzuuxtjsw3mayx99fttyze4qnl4euhqw273hef0dszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c736dle In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsqna9v6et9wfz29dsueyhd7dntercl434rl3tplnkxwyt43av7vqs5ezuxw'>nevent1q…zuxw</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I disagree. Why do you think that? 2026-01-26T23:27:14Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsp8grsn3f8l89w5xwwupv54q7ngd2ryvskp727rmp7trynnrpn7ngzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ccjmece In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsty0t5q2rgx2y5hevg3q2mrf9h5jq6r96k9k5098zqee7caepam6gw02pxn'>nevent1q…2pxn</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>That’s an accident. The necessity of consent focuses on intentional contractual agreements. To prevent an accident, you have the right to intervene to prevent loss of life or damage to property. <br/><br/>There can be cases with regret where nothing morally wrong happened. For example, selling a share that ends up going up later on. Regret is future information, so how can you decide based on it?<br/><br/>Employees might not regret being an employee but their rights are violated regardless 2026-01-26T07:39:03Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsp2486ug6qq8ysem2vdy0uak8uuhqyjc084qkluj6ugyhvd8wmqpszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cam3nek In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsz8q7z2c983dquh69p4hx3a22tg39t8vheymsze84lac9gu83aaaq035we4'>nevent1q…5we4</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Voluntariness is a necessary condition not a sufficient condition for moral legitimacy. Ellerman is explicitly arguing for rendering certain voluntary contracts invalid. <br/><br/>Evicting widows can be wrong without the rental contract being involuntary.<br/><br/>So someone who doesn’t feel regret can do no moral wrong? 2026-01-26T07:03:22Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9t9zdrp0lc5p5d98epvcyrpu4kg46lalfwkp5a2jhk80h94k938qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cr72rse In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqswfjkj6z73wc5wcgwyltcmmuwm4x2fz49se99kvfts43ytcslfz6sc534r9'>nevent1q…34r9</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>markets are what enable that. Markets can exist without capitalism 2026-01-26T06:43:47Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsyz79a5wp8mqkmwsxm705u7g84xnn6lhmpyvf423c49k7g6j5mwsgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ccpxz4r In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9mjgm3fdzrrkxkht30c7awvakldjsglec6zh5q8g978w6yth6e9q6xmkuy'>nevent1q…mkuy</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The reason competition between firms is necessary is because there is no way to enforce the firms doing a good job without having other people working on similar projects to compare to. It also prevents mismanagement.<br/><br/>I also think you’re straw manning pro-capitalists. Most centrists support capitalism on #utilitarian or individual rights based grounds. These ethics aren’t rooted in flawed analogies to Darwinian evolution. 2026-01-25T06:35:59Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9mjgm3fdzrrkxkht30c7awvakldjsglec6zh5q8g978w6yth6e9qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cyv8svm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsrdy2ytse78z229q5r2jqkzt93snhxtjag2qhpte9u3ctx39zvdrgka7g56'>nevent1q…7g56</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I agree that capitalism is bad, but that doesn’t imply that everyone who defends capitalism is bad faith. People can be mistaken and succumb to propaganda. There are entire disciplines of academic study dedicated to producing propaganda in defense of it.<br/><br/>Competition between firms doesn’t necessitate competition between people. Competition between projects is inherent to scarcity. If we use a resource for project Y, we won’t have enough for project Z 2026-01-25T06:33:02Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs2h95r76xjulkw9y9mkzyme7rjw39ru99wlc3s3se3l7v6vg66vtqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ce2gp0a In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsplx3yjfre88mq8qvz8dkr3nndzrgj8wsreeuyffd5u6pkmppfrzq99yzzr'>nevent1q…yzzr</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Ellerman’s argument is different and simpler. It has more in common with Proudhon’s critique of property. Unlike Marxists that argue that employment is sociologically involuntary, Ellerman shows that employment is illegitimate even when fully voluntary. He also identifies a characteristic of labor that distinguishes it from capital in a morally relevant way. Ellerman is worth reading even if you’ve read Marx. 2026-01-25T05:55:08Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsxyqxq5ae2vwq429fq4clljusc28cveqenweh33qnkppzrrf04zvqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cf074v2 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs847ldjtrcw5kjrt92fgls2f4w658r8ygs4yva3nr6aq37j9unhagncveg2'>nevent1q…veg2</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Workers are responsible for all results of production, but the employers owns 100% of them while workers as employees get 0%. This violates the moral norm that legal responsibility should be assigned to the de facto responsible party.<br/><br/>Source: <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/column-the-case-for-employee-owned-companies">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/column-the-case-for-employee-owned-companies</a> 2026-01-25T05:49:26Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsx7nwqn7yp7fl4v6skn56vqg335ufah0nrujkmzqhvchn3z5gttjczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c7v0x28 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8e3z594kztnmvk6fpgrk0w24yafgyj578s6r03e8etcqys2qhlzqec2yqw'>nevent1q…2yqw</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>That’s a strong claim. What is your proof that all advocates of capitalism are inherently bad faith?<br/><br/>Something feeling wrong and being able to explain why something is wrong aren’t the same. The latter has value even to someone who has strong moral intuitions against capitalism. <br/><br/>Nothing said precludes joining a union. Every worker should do that. Justification for action doesn’t preclude exploring tactics for effective action. 2026-01-24T23:10:53Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs00syhf04j9p4mhmzlchetedkp0e62w5yk5gquyhkgdf9qxgp27kszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c48nsu7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8cz7nm43u5ns3lvs62tdkhdx63d8ud0zz0va58q7f8k32cm6f7ycvmgu05'>nevent1q…gu05</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The point is to explain to potential anti-capitalists why to be anticapitalist not to convince bad faith pro-capitalists 2026-01-24T22:44:58Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8cz7nm43u5ns3lvs62tdkhdx63d8ud0zz0va58q7f8k32cm6f7yczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ch6858s In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqszzu2qc0hqspg2rwu03609mtf98wlngqlj9kdnzp434l4e5uhsuds57p7td'>nevent1q…p7td</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Exactly, the capitalist fully understands that agency isn’t transferred, which is why they’re wrong and philosophically incoherent. A major virtue of Ellerman’s argument is that it’s simple and correct. It gets people to what I would call anti-capitalist conclusions much more simply and effectively. It also turn the personal responsibility that is often cited in favor of capitalism against it. 2026-01-24T22:43:56Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9t7taz4258hdsa8zx8pty33dvk7u68gchmhvzs7f7ngwgy02fecczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cw8rjcv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs00t87f6yp3lzqel2ep7dsm8lzu0jdwpvv9rtkgqhnwnvpg5dj2hgsl7xvq'>nevent1q…7xvq</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Inalienability follows from something that can’t be transferred not should not. The right to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of your labor is inalienable because de facto responsibility *can’t* be transferred even with consent. Ellerman suggests that anytime an inalienable right is violated the legal system is engaged in institutional philosophical fraud by accepting a contract as fulfilled that is, in principle, unfulfillable 2026-01-24T01:07:45Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs00t87f6yp3lzqel2ep7dsm8lzu0jdwpvv9rtkgqhnwnvpg5dj2hgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5crw2ex7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqspwdyq8u8r2zfua64g59lawptz9pemmxp2tdpf6sj5tvgtrqxn9wqrxmxgq'>nevent1q…mxgq</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Inalienable ≠ inviolable<br/><br/>You have to understand what Ellerman means. Inalienable, for Ellerman, means consent isn’t a sufficient condition to transfer. That’s it. Just because consent doesn’t transfer the moral right doesn’t necessitate it being inviolable. Another example of an inalienable right is the right to life, but criminal actions can violate this right. 2026-01-24T01:00:39Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqspwdyq8u8r2zfua64g59lawptz9pemmxp2tdpf6sj5tvgtrqxn9wqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cka9esm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8trn6hz2933da93j08ysayjk3g9xe7r4p7mwappcrrszxwsfggtqg80cdm'>nevent1q…0cdm</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I don’t see how you could argue for or against a given social structure without having some ethical theory you are using to judge social institutions. All idealisms aren’t equally okay. <br/>This is just advocating moral relativism. How could you possibly judge whether Ellerman’s desired system is good or bad without appealing to some moral criteria. Many anti-capitalists keep the moral criteria they’re using to judge the system vague. 2026-01-24T00:58:45Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs0d57dhs9nsdrx7knpnxkfntnpg3cam978jjprc7dmxxu33rc269qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cwcw3ag In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfjc2aktd2sk2hnwdu0rfcu24ftwdr7u6wdn3jce47lngsxsxsrqc4nvsrj'>nevent1q…vsrj</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>communism is authoritarian because economic planning reduces human freedom and doesn’t really work at the scales necessary to sustain a complex technologically advanced society 2026-01-22T17:52:10Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfjc2aktd2sk2hnwdu0rfcu24ftwdr7u6wdn3jce47lngsxsxsrqczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c8zvad0 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs94dn6svlthz6f4k2krrhac5ae0wngt92clz9kscpaddlalfchh6sjr4y9c'>nevent1q…4y9c</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>It really isn’t authoritarian. Redistribution of wealth downwards increases freedom. 2026-01-22T17:46:11Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs0dwclavcjhqzh5pgkm82sr8wv9xaqddcw25mnfjd7wnsccncw2pqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cfsusj7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfkf74ey4xx8dg04cm5rxnuzf9ffkq82lyw6w3ctgzgejfhc80tqc5zua5m'>nevent1q…ua5m</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I don’t see why postcapitalism must be more authoritarian. There probably should be reparations paid to the working class for the theft of the fruits of their labor by the employer class. 2026-01-22T04:06:35Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9y4nwcr2fup6xtx7jechjjzv6h3fm68v25namswcr99ntrp0dpygzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cew7hk3 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqszjxsp545fhugvxhhz9nn8hvak2u9gq8jk6d0pt52zdvlyln064dsrunjvf'>nevent1q…njvf</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>In the postcapitalist system Ellerman advocates, labor has more rights than capital. Ellerman’s system can be combined with other policies as well like collective ownership of means of production, and democratic non-market mechanisms of resource allocation towards public goods 2026-01-20T23:56:07Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsf5d32tpyq007y45a29wn7f4j6rxnee0dh4j0wm34rw7g3rnd58xqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cpqwp6t In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsw45jj784dj26w57xxsnpnyxga74k8sa6zy6vlxxdlvcjmsy48qfs7c8042'>nevent1q…8042</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>By left, I meant anticapitalist there. I would use center-left to refer to social liberals. 2026-01-20T14:03:18Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvqlfyj62vyaq0u8xkef7a79x5dmplswdfsruzamfjuumzv5rv9hczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cpuvrlv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8guwgq59vueqsn2te5d4wsjyq2ypvkqpxq3lfvlqgqk8x32d7u0srxtga0'>nevent1q…tga0</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Right-wing liberals are alienist. They don’t support inalienable rights, which are rights that can’t be given up or transferred, even with consent.<br/><br/>Markets are about trading alienable or property rights. Those tend to accumulate and concentrate, so aren’t what satisfy liberalism’s belief in equality. Markets are useful tools, but they don’t solve every problem. Inalienable rights, on the other hand, don’t accumulate because they aren’t tradable. 2026-01-20T00:39:06Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsr3fnw0vdv3pazwmwsvggvea5g6rstk0sdr3wk74zr8cf2gtcr22szypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cl23wyd In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqswrt7y4shzlmqukdml48haah6pdz2eh2agljr42wn93tgszytza3q8xudax'>nevent1q…udax</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>that’s why I qualified with “the anti-capitalist.”<br/><br/>Inalienable rights theory more broadly has been an idea for a while, but the anti-capitalist implications were only discovered in the late 1970s 2026-01-19T16:53:09Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqstf2yu4a9jjzgw6kyr9sp0ppk9pz0y36jt3rqnkllmqxcwmsxnu3qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cf9ulvv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsx0cvpggy5n7azegglqj0pdvwjd0uuhackm7y7z9pngepc5j98lvgeuynvs'>nevent1q…ynvs</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Rights can be violated. The fact that rights can be violated doesn’t indicate that those rights don’t exist.<br/><br/>Liberalism has been associated with capitalism for most of its history because the anti-capitalist inalienable rights theory was only discovered in the late 1970s. 2026-01-19T16:03:16Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsrzxpny56l38s059nvck9chxu59qxry9ywz76mh0p48ewq73qrkeqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c7xhch7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsvsz8mesu59gsm6kczq67nsw9zh5wyemm06prcgghl3m07pkm3ucqup70tu'>nevent1q…70tu</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Those figures you reference are alienist “liberals” that incoherently treat almost every moral right as a property right. There are many criticisms of them. The most basic of which are the modern liberal inalienable rights critiques of capitalism. Of course, it bears a relationship to actually existing liberals because they appeal to the same moral principles that imply anti-capitalism while incoherently defending capitalism. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/">https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/</a> 2026-01-18T03:02:05Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsdgec46s9ha6n24u4fadpu3v2sds22auy4gylnwdpy8vqkmjajtjqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c0y9x5x In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0m00a2dwd92qtjcmwjvgfkf75myzxy75nnk8ctm4vnud4n5u0m3cel83j8'>nevent1q…83j8</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I’m thinking of the principles of liberalism. There are anti-capitalist arguments within liberalism such as those advanced by David Ellerman. What you’re referring to with the term, “actually existing liberalism,” doesn’t adhere to the principles of liberalism. One reason is that it is capitalist among others. Our understanding of liberalism as a coherent political philosophy can evolve as new arguments are made to be quite different from what most historical liberals have advocated. 2026-01-17T16:34:32Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs2cfq6pnq7qmrhuv6mlvq7m34ndmcwgxuhepwk62v88t46d385xaqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cld9axq In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9fdwyp07xx369q9h5z9k2zu2qs2dff3gh9xq9v69v3gjwr28hdeqgh43a6'>nevent1q…43a6</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>that seems true tho 2026-01-17T16:19:37Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqstvdtp7aevna9dukpa9kwvz2xuufw6gplntv4tx4rzy5ey24z9uegzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c4hfl2g In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsru7m3d94wmww2ucxd35f362dqk9punqq2kq4ldfy7prxmjdp7kas7pkq0d'>nevent1q…kq0d</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>People’s lives are more important than property rights. The right to life is inalienable, meaning it can’t be given up even with consent, while property rights can be.<br/><br/>It is an ideology. So? It’s correct.<br/><br/>Nothing I’ve said prevents needs-based redistribution of property. All property is produced on land. Land isn’t the fruits of anyone’s labor, but the liability for using it up is part of the fruits of everyone’s labor. Satisfaction of these liabilities accounts for distribution by need. 2026-01-17T07:09:26Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqswjedzjvzhq78xl6fwymxkc5xyw09n7m6cv93fulyytpsdyqj7qygzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c3cqh07 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8r6zqfuzam3xssx3ptj37nwckurv2h6gzvgjrnty8ak3uukhkt7cwxhvte'>nevent1q…hvte</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Why do you have your eyeballs? What is the morally relevant difference between eyeballs and a camera you are using? Both conduct your intentions and realize your will when you’re using them. Property rights in the fruits of your labor are an extension of the personal inalienable right to self-determination. Property you use extends the capabilities of your body. 2026-01-17T04:02:41Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsgz89d2cxf5qmw9e2wdhjqh9xw7xsekht2rg8y4ch4alut068f58szypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cnx2rze In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0u9vvgs47n4kt6e64j6rv0a7uck7qkvt5u0df2g939wkulf5zljqmuqtm9'>nevent1q…qtm9</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Property rights are something people have. We’re talking about the positive and negative results of production. The right to get those is a property right. 2026-01-17T03:02:35Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8kpvkne0ewe4v4htepyq53nazyw699hulxgyqdaq2kcswwpvdc0gzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cmeuman In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsf0gmtzjach2er7mrczjmeghv43qyu59953qauwn6ytzwuduea0csxlvuz8'>nevent1q…vuz8</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Instead of value, if we look at property rights and liabilities as David Ellerman suggests, the contrast between what workers get and what the employer gets are much greater. Workers as employees get 0% property claim to positive and negative results of production (aka whole product of the firm) while the employer gets 100%. This violates the foundational moral norm behind property rights of getting the positive and negative fruits of your labor. 2026-01-16T23:25:16Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsp7ta2wx7maxzgxhym0cjvqvca02frcdkfpyuzhygzkxewnyg22gczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5caq6u56 RE: <a href="https://mastodon.online/@citify/115900961961050202">https://mastodon.online/@citify/115900961961050202</a><br/><br/>Aesthetic value has an objective component for the same reason that moral value has an objective component. Minds are physical systems. A consequence of that is that they can, in principle, be computationally modeled. We can talk about an infinite-time Turing machine running all these mind models and have it search for regularities in behavior in the limit (morals) or aesthetic appreciation.<br/><br/>What do you think is #ethics or aesthetics objective?<br/><br/>#philosophy #metaethics #morality<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note14aa6rn0g4cwm3gmjzx30rs8jq8lncahqkgn7ltpsg5h75rwytu2sjdfeh5" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note14aa…feh5</a></span><br/> </div> Can beauty be objective? Kant argued aesthetic judgment is universal yet subjective—what’s your take?<br/><br/>#Kant #Aesthetics #Philosophy </blockquote> 2026-01-15T20:33:58Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfaa6x59cpls3h2z6px8ws3emak5wmk08tlf50h9v7n5qx7r60s2gzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cewp5c6 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsd077lfjyj2dffu4jytpk85m2acdxs4qxdqq0rpgn08jh20nph9fc543n0c'>nevent1q…3n0c</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I’m not doubting duress exists. I just don’t think duress applies to worker co-ops choosing to rent instead of buy in a business context.<br/><br/>Yeah contracts can be invalid even with consent due to inalienable rights. That is one of the arguments developed by David Ellerman against employer-employee contracts I subscribe to, but I fail to see what inalienable right is violated in renting out capital. 2026-01-06T00:49:02Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsr2c2xn5eqllcj8c0kkadgx3qw4rpxeyv9fklcpqs35cha7346zvqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cmge22t In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9tsdvklyfpq8elven7074c2qtz66zrpq5afv0my4tuyy8fsudshsty5hys'>nevent1q…5hys</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I said it’s difficult not impossible. When proposing a new system, one has to be specific about how the system would deal with issues like this in the presence of malicious actors. I’ve found that most economic planning proposals leave this vague hence my support of Georgism and pro-market #anticapitalism. Of course, maybe there is some clever way to make economic planning work that I haven’t thought of or come across, and I would love to hear it if you know of such a way. 2026-01-06T00:45:24Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsgl8dnqe3xde76xu25fxzxn99w60ftel84de6vcwte2tty5rrashqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cgz7jlm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfvv9q3q3c06h4wv92edttmn5rgs8sw2lcl84v7ygq2x53rr94y0sty8nh0'>nevent1q…8nh0</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>it’s difficult for everyone to coordinate fighting workers that aren’t staying within ecological limits 2026-01-05T23:54:51Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs0z45xsa64w9vefxuj7hg96tr4u2djgw0lfl26tfgn64mvqdqxltqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cpvavev In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqst00g58yh06dum0rlnsyyfuvauyvrf35wq0q3xscsv8thsj2tghdgfkh6k3'>nevent1q…h6k3</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The party renting it may not want to buy it though because it’s cheaper to rent. Also, renting allows multiple parties to use the resources. Renting makes capital more accessible to less well-funded organizations and people. If both parties agree, what’s the harm? 2026-01-05T23:53:37Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsfvv9q3q3c06h4wv92edttmn5rgs8sw2lcl84v7ygq2x53rr94y0szypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cs0f9pv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfydwhsmp9488q7k22l9cnk8xz733nlqkstsl5vh3vx22kf54za0q5suc52'>nevent1q…uc52</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I’m aware of these issues, but at a bare minimum people’s time is limited. Even if all other resources are abundant, that fundamental scarcity is still there.<br/><br/>Keeping production within ecological limits is entirely solved with #Georgism’s common ownership of land and natural resources.<br/><br/>Note that growth, once it accounts for social costs such as ecological considerations, is good. There are ways to make it take that into account. Economic value is based on people’s desires. 2026-01-05T23:51:25Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsp3zvffuyte4udpxscg50tf53jx8twwduyes2c7khwg322pt97cpczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cr4emt5 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsw66mmcqhhk996acmnwuq8mtq33ddp0nxwzl624u0lwvy08a7t73cctccfw'>nevent1q…ccfw</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I’m talking about property rights and liabilities/obligations not value here. Market calue is dependent on the preferences of others. Property rights and liabilities are objective not subjective. 2026-01-05T23:44:59Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsw66mmcqhhk996acmnwuq8mtq33ddp0nxwzl624u0lwvy08a7t73czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cggeacc In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsvqccr7uhpmk4ywjg6d0l3cmmx8dhps8g7v37wdrdja9980lr3kdsmypnn3'>nevent1q…pnn3</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>What Kropotkin missed is that there is both a positive and negative result to production. Workers are de facto responsible for creating both the positive and negative result. The negative result accounts for liabilities for used-up inputs, which accounts for past production. Responsibility has many different senses. The sense I mean is the sense Ellerman calls de facto responsibility. This is the same notion as is applied in a criminal trial to ascertain legal guilt. 2026-01-05T23:42:41Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsd80cm29zgl8f0mxuy088l09d7awzu368t4suasmmyv32vt8h0txgzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cr2xjmz In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqszkt8282s4e4phnf60ccdl6w6jfsjw94gm2mekxzh99s3v6g6x8tqz9x0fa'>nevent1q…x0fa</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>what if workers lie about needing it for necessities? How do you verify what’s actually necessary in a particular part of the production process? <br/><br/>Renting out capital isn’t the job though. It’s producing the capital. Renting it out is one way to get paid for producing it. The present value of capital is the discounted value of all future capital services, so there is no difference in the value you get between renting and selling the capital you produce. 2026-01-05T23:38:32Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs2temkz6jw6p6sxgeracr8lhnsqephre4n76y88uwwkd9utx9vurqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5czglnjw In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsp4c50ka4y7nlte8kw69zc0wxrkzjqk68dvh93lgdd9jqgslrpupcrsmfyx'>nevent1q…mfyx</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>What happens if a group of workers chooses to deviate from the planning committee’s advice and/or squander the resources allocated to them on pet projects that the planning committee doesn’t think are important? How are decisions made between competing uses of resources when the resources in question are scarce? 2026-01-05T23:34:05Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs89ywyxemcn28f9mtm82sp8mmjxhpyg8slgespj0men9msafquc7czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cqe8pc6 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsq8maern8n6g44d7axv2wevj8ctqqzfnwnhcrnycvs3zky86fn2nsythwpk'>nevent1q…hwpk</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>landlordism is different because land has inelastic supply and no one created it. Capital is the fruits of someone else’s labor and you have to compensate the party that created it. 2026-01-05T23:25:27Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsq8maern8n6g44d7axv2wevj8ctqqzfnwnhcrnycvs3zky86fn2nszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cd9hd4d In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxjwmj2x3xjvu7peje0vswd8nj0e93kjsmgeg8la99au0fjq8aunc2wvds2'>nevent1q…vds2</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Capital services (services of the means of production) are a real thing. Why would people use the capital otherwise?<br/><br/>Economic planning in any form is incompatible with workers’ self-management as workers have to obey the plan, which is imposed from on high. I don’t see how a society could be stateless if based on economic planning. The bodies engaged in planning are obviously a states. 2026-01-05T23:24:18Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsdgjtngetn8pe09gqunyfnmur345ssnkl4n2w83gv6rd535kz3q7czypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c9gh0s8 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0twwmr9nh4pqr79gkqg33qhcmwv63490khqy7emf6lv5tc24ep0g8ye05j'>nevent1q…e05j</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Renting out capital doesn’t imply taking a portion of someone else’s labor. They are just paying for a segment of the capital services, which are an input to the production process. The input-maker has to get paid. Selling the capital is just selling all future capital services. <br/><br/>There are ways to bake in anti-wealth-concentration measures into a currency like a fee on holding the currency.<br/><br/>Economic planning doesn’t work, and is incompatible with workers’ self-management. 2026-01-05T23:14:51Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsp5xkqnf0rnat7sgmec7c88xyyxxvh7namgmatr5uuz9hux8jk7sqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cmk655u In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsq30akkw72kw896adhm3u4wpukkum0wuj2ra7tgcjhsz8nn7f2lngn9tg37'>nevent1q…tg37</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115843625188965297">https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115843625188965297</a><br/><br/>[@ambiguous_yelp](<a href="https://veganism.social/@ambiguous_yelp">https://veganism.social/@ambiguous_yelp</a> ) I articulate a different perspective on passive income in this post than your’s:<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note13hvk6jjvafhyzfkfdanheyks2sfqczwwj2s9r2ru23y8at708ams6q732y" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note13hv…732y</a></span><br/> </div> RE: <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill/115842987515255760">https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill/115842987515255760</a><br/><br/>Passive income, by itself, is fine. Passive income rooted in being an employer or landlord is the problematic part of #capitalism. Appropriating 100% of the fruits of other people’s labor is illegitimate. Workers renting out the product of their labor to other groups of workers is another morally legitimate way for workers to exchange their labor’s products. Renting out capital is selling a segment of the capital’s services, which is as legitimate as selling all future capital services.<br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note1ms03dy6mpu4yevxslyrpfnm4eetwye0zp46x2g9lmppchsschswsgjhzwx" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note1ms0…hzwx</a></span><br/> </blockquote> 2026-01-05T18:14:43Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsgmktdffxw5mjpymyk7emujtg9gysvp88f9gz34p79gjr74l8n7aczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cxcxscr RE: <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill/115842987515255760">https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill/115842987515255760</a><br/><br/>Passive income, by itself, is fine. Passive income rooted in being an employer or landlord is the problematic part of #capitalism. Appropriating 100% of the fruits of other people’s labor is illegitimate. Workers renting out the product of their labor to other groups of workers is another morally legitimate way for workers to exchange their labor’s products. Renting out capital is selling a segment of the capital’s services, which is as legitimate as selling all future capital services.<blockquote class="border-l-05rem border-l-strongpink border-solid"><div class="-ml-4 bg-gradient-to-r from-gray-100 dark:from-zinc-800 to-transparent mr-0 mt-0 mb-4 pl-4 pr-2 py-2">quoting <br/><span itemprop="mentions" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Article"><a itemprop="url" href="/note1ms03dy6mpu4yevxslyrpfnm4eetwye0zp46x2g9lmppchsschswsgjhzwx" class="bg-lavender dark:prose:text-neutral-50 dark:text-neutral-50 dark:bg-garnet px-1">note1ms0…hzwx</a></span><br/> </div> The concept of "passive income" in our capitalist society is a curse. The whole idea that simply having wealth makes more wealth without having to do anything at all is rotten at the very core.<br/><br/>Oh sure, my savings are in interest bearing accounts and funds and such. But it's still the toxic concept that allows for billionaires to exist. </blockquote> 2026-01-05T17:17:21Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8pldp2enlml3ms8y09wayma55cevwmkpf7geumd8t9v269y77lyqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ch24ckl In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9v9k48aggs2t4ff9lw72avl54fcwcj2884969ullnp6t9qu5sraqqz93gm'>nevent1q…93gm</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>capitalism doesn’t just optimize for efficiency but also control. These two targets can come into tension, so there are plenty of opportunities to make things significantly more efficient without capitalism.<br/><br/><a href="https://wedontagree.net/we-dont-agree-on-capitalism-(essay)">https://wedontagree.net/we-dont-agree-on-capitalism-(essay)</a> 2026-01-03T07:20:21Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9v9k48aggs2t4ff9lw72avl54fcwcj2884969ullnp6t9qu5sraqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5csn35d9 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8y62g0fgk5en4yhqtevwcvfytzd24wm0pskxludzy6z6af3ytjlsq7ynax'>nevent1q…ynax</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>#Capitalism only works well for private goods. There are systems that can do that while respecting human rights. A worker co-op market economy could serve that purpose. Where it fails to function almost completely is public goods, and externalities. To fix that, we need non-market mechanisms in the middle of the spectrum between markets and #democracy because collective action problems become more difficult with the number of people that benefit from a good. <br/><br/>#economics 2026-01-03T07:06:58Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs8ecdc9y59zfdllvyanqqzepyqxvvn3v0qm9gzea9z02u7a4vunjszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c7vgyrz RE: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Daojoan/115821753230762229">https://mastodon.social/@Daojoan/115821753230762229</a><br/><br/>The left should change the argument. Complex systems like economies are difficult to predict. Any complex #consequentialist argument against #capitalism can be refuted by citing a lack of evidence that the proposed postcapitalist alternative produces better outcomes, and the risks of meddling. Rights-based theories avoid this critique. #Leftism must demonstrate that capitalism contradicts common sense principles of justice. <br/><br/>#capitalist #anticapitalism #ethics #leftist #philosophy<br/>nostr:note1mxlxgcud9uxsw94xujj3ft7uscwnyvlg004q2kk2u3rx42uyml6s6r26uf<br/> 2026-01-01T21:22:20Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsq446sutkm3vkk35k9zqpg0szs2vqc65u5m9mxvqgtltxu7npcfzqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c2ptej5 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqswcqmurq6z8u8hpntcqlyr5akqtq3g4rwpfu4my20jtvg8y06kqugjwnzxl'>nevent1q…nzxl</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Transitioning to an economy of worker co-ops. These worker co-ops would form larger multi-stakeholder associations for the purpose of funding cross-firm public goods more efficiently than capitalism. Markets would continue to exist. Land and natural resource would be commonly-owned.<br/><br/>Marx isn’t the only anti-capitalist thinker. Marx got wrong that capitalism is efficient.<br/> <img src="https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/115/430/536/258/957/958/original/bbc93b9adaaabad4.png"> <br/> 2025-10-24T18:26:47Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqspezmegqwcncz6d7v2mul75ur0x3fzn9pqjrh75q5yjq99m248xmszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ca839ez No kings. No employers.<br/><br/>Fight for democracy in all human associations such as government and companies.<br/><br/>#NoKings #meme #memes #politics #democracy #PoliticalPhilosophy #philosophy #WorkersRights #labor #unions #liberalism #liberal #postcapitalism #postcapitalist #capitalism #anticapitalism #capitalist #anticapitalist #HumanRights #socialism<br/> <img src="https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/115/397/072/207/506/822/original/304b81914a54969c.png"> <br/> 2025-10-18T20:51:26Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsvmslaqhxrkpuda9ckdm7n9hzvkvzvvgmtfduhkhl5yhy30cnqg9qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cekmatf In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsfm43apm6zdx55vskzjnjtv9l78zjjx6fd6hhpqjynpgn8vr4wkkg7q3lhh'>nevent1q…3lhh</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Communities can have institutions, such as mechanisms for democratic self-management and accountability for results of intentional human actions. If such an institution exists, then principles of justice are relevant.<br/><br/>You didn’t answer my question about who ought to be held responsible.<br/><br/>A “capital rental” contract that denies workers’ democratic rights in the workplace is not a capital rental contract; it’s an employment contract. 2025-10-17T21:38:51Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsrdv9a8au94gdletmvlfmv4asaftqmshfc7sx78v5467xd5ml8ddczypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5ct22l7l In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsvudmyu0l5950xnx8sq037gsjkk3pn4hmjtd5kruj59h0y3f6kusqk3uy0e'>nevent1q…uy0e</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The notion of responsibility is core to morality because it is what distinguishes moral agents from moral patients. The notion of justice is people are held responsible for the results to their own actions. Do you think it is acceptable for one person to commit a murder and an innocent person to be held responsible by the community? <br/><br/>It isn’t equivalent to capitalism because workers get a democratic say. 2025-10-17T18:44:08Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsrs28emxu0rjw6tdmlhvgwjtl7g47yrumaeyvhfvg80x8speucldszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5c0mlsyf In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsre57jpf8ffaat2x58cmclxduf0rdwf5h8lgdk5zpfg7s94suvmqq90wfaj'>nevent1q…wfaj</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>so you don’t think that the person who is factually response for a result ought to be the one held legally or institutionally responsible? For example, if someone commits theft, shouldn’t the person who actually carried out the theft be responsible rather than some innocent party?<br/><br/>I think a system with a worker co-op mandate and leased capital is fine, but it would need social ownership of the means of production through venture communes to make getting start up capital easier. 2025-10-17T16:53:28Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs89amdjj3snsn95lwvq4qe70a37lv9ylq0857kyuw8e3lk92x98aszypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cmue9xr In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0jzsf6k02havdlyqne282cs69nkzh98y93l0we97yap9nyzr7a2swh5h60'>nevent1q…5h60</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>It means the property rights and liabilities that workers create in production. Those ought to belong jointly to the workers in the firm. This inalienable right entails all firms must be worker co-ops to be morally valid. <br/><br/>The moral intuition is that the right to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of your labor is just the principle that legal responsibility ought to be assigned to the de facto responsible party applied to property.<br/><br/>Source: <a href="https://youtu.be/fvWJ10ONPkY">https://youtu.be/fvWJ10ONPkY</a> 2025-10-17T01:31:50Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqsppcg0a673jl3dqqltv0jccgm22g2ws5muj7rsdpufn8vq2wv8f9qzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cm48jfv In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsz8lkk8xfdzcrfc4gt2z43v0lu4md2xyyaawd6q50pwgwzs7wve7qmt98c5'>nevent1q…98c5</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>okay, that is a major disagreement. Wage labor/employment contracts are always invalid and inherently violate workers inalienable rights to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of their labor and to workplace democracy. The alternative is individual or joint self-employment as in a worker cooperative. <br/><br/>Going back to the quibble about consent. In the hypothetical, we would be starting with a roughly equal distribution of wealth. I was focused on critiquing labor contracts 2025-10-16T13:52:59Z https://nostr.ae/nevent1qqs9pte7xaewfwnucjpyxf7m3xt0v3spna28kxd46dpcd4gf0emv9qqzypwt30k7thmmp6uh79yus3ptjqap8y4tc2l7c4clexzmmae25ky5cn2ydxm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqspfjj4zv7k4lpjk60m06ezsfmgfmdm324vzwk853zrkmn706w0kgq93jlgx'>nevent1q…jlgx</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>just to be clear, I’m anti-capitalist. I’m arguing that consent vs coercion isn’t the right framing for arguing against capitalism. In that context, I was pointing out capitalism+Georgism+UBI could enable capitalist employment to be voluntary because it eliminates the work or starve aspect. 2025-10-16T02:18:45Z