{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2015-05-07\n📝 Original message:100% agree, RE hard forks should be hard.\n\nHowever, it is the paradox of growth, morale and adoption that bitcoin\nmight never reach the point where it is saturated \u0026 expensive to the point\nwhere larger blocks are demanded by 95%+...  simply because people and\ncompanies chose not to adopt bitcoin in the first place due to an unmoving,\n[perceived | real] scalability roadblock.\n\n\nOn Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Alex Morcos \u003cmorcos at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e That strikes me as a dangerous path forward.\n\u003e\n\u003e I don't actually think there is anything wrong with this: \"everybody\n\u003e eventually gets tired of arguing angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin, and\n\u003e we're left with the status quo\"\n\u003e\n\u003e What gives Bitcoin value aren't its technical merits but the fact that\n\u003e people believe in it.   The biggest risk here isn't that 20MB blocks will\n\u003e be bad or that 1MB blocks will be bad, but that by forcing a hard fork that\n\u003e isn't nearly universally agreed upon, we will be damaging that belief.   If\n\u003e I strongly believed some hard fork would be better for Bitcoin, say\n\u003e permanent inflation of 1% a year to fund mining, and I managed to convince\n\u003e 80% of users, miners, businesses and developers to go along with me, I\n\u003e would still vote against doing it.  Because that's not nearly universal\n\u003e agreement, and it changes what people chose to believe in without their\n\u003e consent. Forks should be hard, very hard.  And both sides should recognize\n\u003e that belief in the value of Bitcoin might be a fragile thing.   I'd argue\n\u003e that if we didn't force through a 20MB fork now, and we ran into major\n\u003e network difficulties a year from now and had no other technical solutions,\n\u003e that maybe we would get nearly universal agreement, and the businesses and\n\u003e users that were driven away by the unusable system would be a short term\n\u003e loss in value considerably smaller than the impairment we risk by forcing a\n\u003e change.\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Gavin Andresen \u003cgavinandresen at gmail.com\u003e\n\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e\u003e For reference: the blog post that (re)-started this debate, and which\n\u003e\u003e links to individual issues, is here:\n\u003e\u003e   http://gavinandresen.ninja/time-to-roll-out-bigger-blocks\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e In it, I asked people to email me objections I might have missed. I would\n\u003e\u003e still appreciate it if people do that; it is impossible to keep up with\n\u003e\u003e this mailing list, /r/bitcoin posts and comments, and #bitcoin-wizards and\n\u003e\u003e also have time to respond thoughtfully to the objections raised.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I would very much like to find some concrete course of action that we can\n\u003e\u003e come to consensus on. Some compromise so we can tell entrepreneurs \"THIS is\n\u003e\u003e how much transaction volume the main Bitcoin blockchain will be able to\n\u003e\u003e support over the next eleven years.\"\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I've been pretty clear on what I think is a reasonable compromise (a\n\u003e\u003e one-time increase scheduled for early next year), and I have tried to\n\u003e\u003e explain why I think it it is the right set of tradeoffs.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e There ARE tradeoffs here, and the hard question is what process do we use\n\u003e\u003e to decide those tradeoffs?  How do we come to consensus? Is it worth my\n\u003e\u003e time to spend hours responding thoughtfully to every new objection raised\n\u003e\u003e here, or will the same thing happen that happened last year and the year\n\u003e\u003e before-- everybody eventually gets tired of arguing\n\u003e\u003e angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin, and we're left with the status quo?\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I AM considering contributing some version of the bigger blocksize-limit\n\u003e\u003e hard-fork patch to the Bitcoin-Xt fork (probably  \"target a hobbyist with a\n\u003e\u003e fast Internet connection, and assume Nelson's law to increase over time),\n\u003e\u003e and then encouraging merchants and exchanges and web wallets and\n\u003e\u003e individuals who think it strikes a reasonable balance to run it.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e And then, assuming it became a super-majority of nodes on the network,\n\u003e\u003e encourage miners to roll out a soft-fork to start producing bigger blocks\n\u003e\u003e and eventually trigger the hard fork.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Because ultimately consensus comes down to what software people choose to\n\u003e\u003e run.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e --\n\u003e\u003e --\n\u003e\u003e Gavin Andresen\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e\u003e One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud\n\u003e\u003e Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications\n\u003e\u003e Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights\n\u003e\u003e Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.\n\u003e\u003e http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y\n\u003e\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e\u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e\u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e\u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud\n\u003e Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications\n\u003e Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights\n\u003e Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.\n\u003e http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\n\n-- \nJeff Garzik\nBitcoin core developer and open source evangelist\nBitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150507/435a17c4/attachment.html\u003e"}