{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2022-10-14\n📝 Original message:Also, lightning works fine and is readily available in convenient mobile\napps used by millions of people, or in .   So the need for a 0conf has been\nmitigated by other solutions for fast payments with no need for a trust\nrelationship.  And for people that don't like mobile risks, core lightning\nand other solutions are now easily installed and configured for use in fast\npayments.\n\nsome references:\n\nhttps://muun.com/ (easy!)\nhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning (reference, works well with\ncore)\nhttps://lightning.network/ (more info)\n\n\nOn Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 11:11 AM Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev \u003c\nbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 12:03:21PM +0200, John Carvalho via bitcoin-dev\n\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \u003e In support of Dario's concern, I feel like there is a degree of\n\u003e gaslighting\n\u003e \u003e happening with the advancement of RBF somehow being okay, while merchants\n\u003e \u003e wanting to manage their own 0conf risk better being not okay.\n\u003e\n\u003e The way merchants try to manage 0conf risk is quite harmful to Bitcoin.\n\u003e Connecting to large numbers of nodes to try to risk-manage propagation\n\u003e _is_ an\n\u003e attack, albeit a mild one. Everyone doing that is very harmful; only a few\n\u003e merchants being able to do it is very unfair/centralized.\n\u003e\n\u003e ...and of course, in the past this has lead to merchants trying to make\n\u003e deals\n\u003e with miners directly, even going as far as to suggest reorging out\n\u003e double-spends. I don't need to explain why that is obviously extremely\n\u003e harmful.\n\u003e\n\u003e --\n\u003e https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20221014/3341dfbc/attachment-0001.html\u003e"}