{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1ly5vrg5ylhdkxrkj824jhlnfsy2z8fvlg8wcc0jqc4aezma6majsycdx6n","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1ly5vrg5ylhdkxrkj824jhlnfsy2z8fvlg8wcc0jqc4aezma6majsycdx6n","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2018-03-15\n📝 Original message:\nHi  ZmnSCPxj,\n\n\nThanks for the links. I've done a bit of reading, and this seems to be\nthe clearest explanation of what the Web Payments Working Group wants to\nachieve:\n\nhttps://www.w3.org/TR/webpayments-overview/\n\nBut maybe Christian can give better / more up-to-date info.\n\n\nFrom what I can see, their concept is still very much focused on\nnon-recurring purchases, and then especially on websites. In other\nwords: the typical web shop use case. The site linked above does however\ncontain the following text:\n\n\n\"A concern has been raised over the structure of a payment request,\nnotably that there are other forms of messages that may be initiated by\na payer. There is currently a proposal to modify payment request to a\nmore generalized \"payment instruction\" that would be capable of\nexpressing other messages like subscriptions, preauthorizations,\nrefunds, and other sorts of payment-related instructions.\"\n\n\nSo it seems they're thinking about it, but there is no consensus or\nstandardization yet. The important question: should we wait for this?\nHow long is this going to take? How bad would it be to first push\nforward some simple version of BOLT 12?\n\n\nCJP\n\n\nPS. Quote of the day:\n\n\"Some aspects of bitcoin are less useful, however. It is currently\nimpossible to set up recurring payments with the currency, making it\nimpractical for subscriptions that renew on a short term basis.\"\n\n\n\nOp 09-03-18 om 05:28 schreef ZmnSCPxj:\n\u003e Good morning Corne,\n\u003e\n\u003e You mention URLs in your draft.  This made me remember about the Web Payments Working Group of W3C, https://www.w3.org/Payments/WG/ , of which Decker, Christian of Blockstream is a member: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=83744\u0026public=1\n\u003e\n\u003e My understanding is that Christian aims to make Bitcoin payments (and possibly Lightning invoice payments?) payable over Web payment protocols that W3C group is working on.\n\u003e\n\u003e Possibly the Web Payments Working Group may provide better perspective on various other payment use cases as well as their subtleties, which can help inform your considerations in your proposed BOLT12.\n\u003e\n\u003e Regards,\n\u003e ZmnSCPxj\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e ​Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​\n\u003e\n\u003e ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐\n\u003e\n\u003e On March 8, 2018 11:19 PM, Corné Plooy via Lightning-dev \u003clightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Hi,\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I was thinking of how to use Lightning for various types of payments,\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e and I think it's currently fine for customer/(web)shop type\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e interactions, but it seems a bit inconvenient for other use cases, e.g.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e salary payments or direct pay-out of cryptocurrency bought on an\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e exchange. I came up with an idea that addresses some of these issues and\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e more (e.g. payee anonymity) by having a direct line of communication\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e between payer and payee instead of BOLT11-style interaction. It's still\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e a bit half-baked, with many details not worked out yet, but you can read\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e it here, and see if you like where this is going:\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e https://github.com/bitonic-cjp/lightning-rfc/blob/payment-protocol/12-payment-protocol.md\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e In true permissionless fashion, I have been so bolD to register bolT #12\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e for my idea.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Please let me know what you think.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e kind regards,\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e CJP\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Lightning-dev mailing list\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev\n\u003e"}