{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub16ywn6evjfsu4q0m94p84sdc7tstu7tguzktfx60dj44ww42yqj7scvjs8h","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub16ywn6evjfsu4q0m94p84sdc7tstu7tguzktfx60dj44ww42yqj7scvjs8h","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2015-07-23\n📝 Original message:That’s not exactly what’s happened though, is it Cipher? Gavin put forward 20Mb then after analysis and discussion has moved to 8Mb, whereas the other camp of core developers is firmly stuck in the ‘1Mb or bust’ group.\n\n-Rob.\n\n\u003e On 23 Jul 2015, at 17:50, cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e Why not help on a project that actually seems to offer great scalability like the lightning network? There have been great progress there.\n\u003e  \n\u003e Seems like you did your calculations some time ago to prove that your increase is reasonable, yet when others come with different numbers that don't support your position you say it doesn't matter.\n\u003e  \n\u003e Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM\n\u003e From: \"Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev\" \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\n\u003e To: \"Tom Harding\" \u003ctomh at thinlink.com\u003e\n\u003e Cc: bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks\n\u003e On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Tom Harding via bitcoin-dev \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org \u003cx-msg://14/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e On 7/23/2015 5:17 AM, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e \u003e they will simply advance the front and start another battle, because\n\u003e \u003e their true hidden faction is the \"not ever side\". Please, Jeff, Gavin,\n\u003e \u003e Mike, show me that I'm wrong on this point. Please, answer my question\n\u003e \u003e this time. If \"not now\", then when?\n\u003e \n\u003e Bitcoin has all the hash power.  The merkle root has effectively\n\u003e infinite capacity.  We should be asking HOW to scale the supporting\n\u003e information propagation system appropriately, not WHEN to limit the\n\u003e capacity of the primary time-stamping machine.\n\u003e \n\u003e We haven't tried yet.  I can't answer for the people you asked, but\n\u003e personally I haven't thought much about when we should declare failure.\n\u003e  \n\u003e Yes! Lets plan for success!\n\u003e  \n\u003e I'd really like to move from \"IMPOSSIBLE because...  (electrum hasn't been optimized\n\u003e (by the way: you should run on SSDs, LevelDB isn't designed for spinning disks),\n\u003e what if the network is attacked?  (attacked HOW???), current p2p network is using\n\u003e the simplest, stupidest possible block propagation algorithm...)\"\n\u003e  \n\u003e ... to \"lets work together and work through the problems and scale it up.\"\n\u003e  \n\u003e I'm frankly tired of all the negativity here; so tired of it I've decided to mostly ignore\n\u003e all the debate for a while, not respond to misinformation I see being spread\n\u003e (like \"miners have some incentive to create slow-to-propagate blocks\"),\n\u003e work with people like Tom and Mike who have a 'lets get it done' attitude, and\n\u003e focus on what it will take to scale up.\n\u003e  \n\u003e --\n\u003e --\n\u003e Gavin Andresen\n\u003e  \n\u003e _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev \u003chttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\u003e_______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150723/a80e6328/attachment.html\u003e"}