{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"Lloyd Fournier [ARCHIVE] (npub1kh…y05yp)","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1khlhcuz0jrjwa0ayznq2q9agg4zvxfvx5x7jljrvwnpfzngrcf0q7y05yp","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2020-05-05\n📝 Original message:\nOn Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:01 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev \u003c\nbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e On Tuesday 05 May 2020 10:17:37 Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e \u003e Trust-minimization of Bitcoin security model has always relied first and\n\u003e \u003e above on running a full-node. This current paradigm may be shifted by LN\n\u003e \u003e where fast, affordable, confidential, censorship-resistant payment\n\u003e services\n\u003e \u003e may attract a lot of adoption without users running a full-node.\n\u003e\n\u003e No, it cannot be shifted. This would compromise Bitcoin itself, which for\n\u003e security depends on the assumption that a supermajority of the economy is\n\u003e verifying their incoming transactions using their own full node.\n\u003e\n\nHi Luke,\n\nI have heard this claim made several times but have never understood the\nargument behind it. The question I always have is: If I get scammed by not\nverifying my incoming transactions properly how can this affect anyone\nelse? It's very unintuative.  I've been scammed several times in my life in\nfiat currency transactions but as far as I could tell it never negatively\naffected the currency overall!\n\nThe links you point and from what I've seen you say before refer to \"miner\ncontrol\" as the culprit. My only thought is that this is because a light\nclient could follow a dishonest majority of hash power chain. But this just\nbrings me back to the question. If, instead of BTC, I get a payment in some\nminer scamcoin on their dishonest fork (but I think it's BTC because I'm\nrunning a light client) that still seems to only to damage me. Where does\nthe side effect onto others on the network come from?\n\nCheers,\n\nLL\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20200505/549643a3/attachment.html\u003e"}