{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1nqeart5fmxjzj4tejkp7fckp0qa4hw3gpha6espxudum2qlvvrhqvlnwve","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1nqeart5fmxjzj4tejkp7fckp0qa4hw3gpha6espxudum2qlvvrhqvlnwve","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2014-09-15\n📝 Original message:I would agree that the in person aspect of the WoT is frustrating, but to dismiss this as \"geek wanking\" is the pot calling the kettle. \n\nThe value of in person vetting of identity is undeniable. Just because your risk acceptance is difference doesn't make it wanking. Please go see if you can get any kind of governmental clearance of credential without in-person vetting. Ask them if they accept your behavioral signature. \n\nI know there is a lot of PGP hating these days but this comment doesn't necessarily apply to every situation. \n\n\n\n\u003e On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Garzik \u003cjgarzik at bitpay.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e\u003e On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Thomas Zander \u003cthomas at thomaszander.se\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\u003e Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or sign\n\u003e\u003e a formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter) key without seeing that\n\u003e\u003e person in real life, verifying their identity etc.\n\u003e \n\u003e Such guidelines are a perfect example of why PGP WoT is useless and\n\u003e stupid geek wanking.\n\u003e \n\u003e A person's behavioural signature is what is relevant.  We know how\n\u003e Satoshi coded and wrote.  It was the online Satoshi with which we\n\u003e interacted.  The online Satoshi's PGP signature would be fine...\n\u003e assuming he established a pattern of use.\n\u003e \n\u003e As another example, I know the code contributions and PGP key signed\n\u003e by the online entity known as \"sipa.\"  At a bitcoin conf I met a\n\u003e person with photo id labelled \"Pieter Wuille\" who claimed to be sipa,\n\u003e but that could have been an actor.  Absent a laborious and boring\n\u003e signed challenge process, for all we know, \"sipa\" is a supercomputing\n\u003e cluster of 500 gnomes.\n\u003e \n\u003e The point is, the \"online entity known as Satoshi\" is the relevant\n\u003e fingerprint.  That is easily established without any in-person\n\u003e meetings.\n\u003e \n\u003e -- \n\u003e Jeff Garzik\n\u003e Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist\n\u003e BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/\n\u003e \n\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e Want excitement?\n\u003e Manually upgrade your production database.\n\u003e When you want reliability, choose Perforce\n\u003e Perforce version control. Predictably reliable.\n\u003e http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191\u0026iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development"}