{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1qhl358d8na8d3euj3aakeu394zx7q6pqc4a8u4p962k9mtrqdrvscchcrk","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1qhl358d8na8d3euj3aakeu394zx7q6pqc4a8u4p962k9mtrqdrvscchcrk","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2014-01-17\n📝 Original message:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512\n\nOne of the possible words that haven't been proposed is 'personal' where\nbitcoin addressed are commonly incorrectly called public address.\n\nMaybe 'personal account' or even 'personal address' would imply that the\nbalance on such an account shouldn't be assumed to be public knowledge.\n\nCam.\n\n\nOn 17/01/2014 5:59 pm, Drak wrote:\n\u003e That could also work. Still, didn't we want to ditch the word address?\n\u003e Could be a privacy key...\n\u003e \n\u003e On 17 Jan 2014 09:15, \"Mike Hearn\" \u003cmike at plan99.net\n\u003e \u003cmailto:mike at plan99.net\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e     I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It'd be a great place\n\u003e     to store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?\n\u003e \n\u003e     How about we split the difference and go with \"privacy address\"? As\n\u003e     Peter notes, that's what people actually like and want. The problem\n\u003e     with stealth is it's got strong connotations with American military\n\u003e     hardware and perhaps thieves sneaking around in the night:\n\u003e \n\u003e        https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch\u0026q=stealth\n\u003e \n\u003e     But everyone loves privacy.\n\u003e \n\u003e \n\u003e     On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Drak \u003cdrak at zikula.org\n\u003e     \u003cmailto:drak at zikula.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e         Peter I agree with you about  \"reusable addresses\", but aren't\n\u003e         we also trying to get away from the word \"address\" entirely?\n\u003e          How about calling it a \"payment key\" or \"reusable payment key\"\n\u003e         instead? using \"stealth\" is just asking for bad press imo.\n\u003e \n\u003e \n\u003e         On 16 January 2014 21:28, Peter Todd \u003cpete at petertodd.org\n\u003e         \u003cmailto:pete at petertodd.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e             On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote:\n\u003e             \u003e Might I propose \"reusable address\".\n\u003e             \u003e\n\u003e             \u003e I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and\n\u003e             even more\n\u003e             \u003e so encourages wallets to present options as 'one time use' vs\n\u003e             \u003e 'reusable'.\n\u003e             \u003e\n\u003e             \u003e It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive\n\u003e             \u003e adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted.\n\u003e \n\u003e             I'm very against the name \"reusable addresses\" and strongly\n\u003e             belive we\n\u003e             should stick with the name stealth addresses.\n\u003e \n\u003e             You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets\n\u003e             take standard\n\u003e             pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay\n\u003e             one as many\n\u003e             times as I want and everything works just great. I also can\n\u003e             enter the\n\u003e             address on blockchain.info \u003chttp://blockchain.info\u003e's search\n\u003e             box, and every transaction related\n\u003e             to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately.\n\u003e \n\u003e             What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with \"1\" are\n\u003e             reusable. B:\n\u003e             Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge.\n\u003e \n\u003e             Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a\n\u003e             \"reusable\"\n\u003e             address. My reaction is \"Huh? Normal addresses are reusable,\n\u003e             what's\n\u003e             special about this weird reusable address thing that my\n\u003e             buddy Bob's\n\u003e             wallet software couldn't pay.\" I might even try to enter in\n\u003e             a \"reusable\"\n\u003e             address in blockchain.info \u003chttp://blockchain.info\u003e, which\n\u003e             won't work, and I'll just figure\n\u003e             \"must be some new unsupported thing\" and move on with my life.\n\u003e \n\u003e             On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have\n\u003e             \"stealth address\"\n\u003e             support. I'm going to think \"Huh, stealth? I guess that\n\u003e             means privacy\n\u003e             right? I like privacy.\" If I try searching for a stealth\n\u003e             address on\n\u003e             blockchain.info \u003chttp://blockchain.info\u003e, when it doesn't\n\u003e             work I might think twig on \"Oh right!\n\u003e             It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the\n\u003e             transactions are\n\u003e             hidden?\" I might also think \"Maybe this is like\n\u003e             stealth/incognito mode\n\u003e             in my browser? So like, there's no history being kept for\n\u003e             others to\n\u003e             see?\" Regardless, I'm going to be thinking \"well I hear\n\u003e             scary stuff\n\u003e             about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like\n\u003e             it's gonna\n\u003e             help, so I should learn more about that\"\n\u003e \n\u003e             Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne\n\u003e             of very\n\u003e             fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public\n\u003e             conciousness\n\u003e             already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad\n\u003e             associations is going to throw away the momentum of that\n\u003e             good PR and\n\u003e             slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin\n\u003e             Meetup and I\n\u003e             based on conversations there with people there, technical and\n\u003e             non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and\n\u003e             almost everyone\n\u003e             seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good\n\u003e             thing. 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