{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub17ty4mumkv43w8wtt0xsz2jypck0gvw0j8xrcg6tpea25z2nh7meqf4qgyd","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub17ty4mumkv43w8wtt0xsz2jypck0gvw0j8xrcg6tpea25z2nh7meqf4qgyd","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2014-03-22\n📝 Original message:I think it's mostly a UI issue. The recipient needs to understand that what\nhe received is nothing more than an IOU that can be revoked at any time. If\nthe UI makes it clear and the user trusts the sender, no problem. BIP70\nwould work as before.\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jeff Garzik \u003cjgarzik at bitpay.com\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e One participant, yes.  Two participants lacking net would require a\n\u003e serious revisit of BIP 70's security assumptions and some design, at a\n\u003e minimum.\n\u003e\n\u003e On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Mark Friedenbach \u003cmark at monetize.io\u003e\n\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \u003e Jeff, there are *plenty* of places that lack local Internet access for\n\u003e \u003e one or both participants.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e Obviously making the case where both participants lack access to the\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin network is difficult to secure, but not impossible (e.g. use a\n\u003e \u003e telephany-based system to connect to a centralized double-spend\n\u003e \u003e database, as VISA does).\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e I expect the case where one participant has Internet access (the\n\u003e \u003e merchant) and the other does not to be very, very common. The majority\n\u003e \u003e of transactions I do on a daily basis are like this, and I live in\n\u003e \u003e Silicon Valley!\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e On 03/22/2014 09:35 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:\n\u003e \u003e\u003e Let's not pull out silly examples.  Of course you can find locations\n\u003e \u003e\u003e that lack Internet.\n\u003e \u003e\u003e\n\u003e \u003e\u003e Those locations are completely unsuitable to bitcoin transactions,\n\u003e \u003e\u003e since the receiver cannot verify double-spending or anything else\n\u003e \u003e\u003e about the transaction.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e \u003e Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book\n\u003e \u003e \"Graph Databases\" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and\n\u003e their\n\u003e \u003e applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,\n\u003e \u003e this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!\n\u003e \u003e http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech\n\u003e \u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e \u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e \u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e \u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e --\n\u003e Jeff Garzik\n\u003e Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist\n\u003e BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book\n\u003e \"Graph Databases\" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their\n\u003e applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,\n\u003e this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!\n\u003e http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development\n\u003e\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20140322/dd188d63/attachment.html\u003e"}