{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2015-07-30\n📝 Original message:On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev\n\u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Pieter Wuille \u003cpieter.wuille at gmail.com\u003e\n\u003e So what do you think the scalability road map should look like? Should we\n\u003e wait to hard fork until Blockstream Elements is ready for deploying on the\n\u003e main network, and then have One Grand Hardfork that introduces all the\n\u003e scalability work you guys have been working on (like Segregated Witness and\n\u003e Lightning)?\n\nApparently lightning doesn't require Segregated Witnesses: cltv and\nrcltv may be enough (although I'm not up to date to the latest\ndesigns). I definitely don't think we should wait to have SW ready to\nbe deployable in Bitcoin to have other hardforks. I think we should\nhave an uncontroversial hardfork as soon as possible, if anything, to\nset a precedent and show the world that hardforks are possible in\nBitcoin, see https://github.com/jtimon/bips/blob/bip-forks/bip-forks.org#code\n\n\u003e Or is the plan to avoid controversy by people voluntarily moving their\n\u003e bitcoin to a sidechain where all this scaling-up innovation happens?\n\nAny scaling up innovation that happens in sidechains can be adopted by\nBitcoin too.\nIn fact, some of those changes (like op_maturity/rcltv/scv) are needed\nin Bitcoin for a fully p2p Bitcoin sidechain to be even possible.\nI really think lightning should be possible in Bitcoin main (and not\njust sidechains) as soon as possible.\n\n\u003e And any plan that requires inventing brand-new technology is going to be\n\u003e riskier than scaling up what we already have and understand, which is why I\n\u003e think it is worthwhile to scale up what we have IN ADDITION TO working on\n\u003e great projects like Segregated Witness and Lightning.\n\nNot necessarily. How are older payment channels designs (different\nfrom lightning) that don't even require cltv riskier than a hardfork?\nIn any case, yes, both things are kind of orthogonal and we can work\non both (and more) at the same time."}