{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub1798ncudyucap9jzzujjsgufx8tdykm8auzfledjcs6f6wf4ekqvq8lpmjt","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub1798ncudyucap9jzzujjsgufx8tdykm8auzfledjcs6f6wf4ekqvq8lpmjt","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2014-01-17\n📝 Original message:So far I've only liked the original name \"Stealth address\" and the\nsuggestion \"routing address\".\n\nShould we put this up for some kind of informal vote with comments allowed?\nLike a Google docs form?\n\n- Sent from my phone\nDen 17 jan 2014 10:18 skrev \"Mike Hearn\" \u003cmike at plan99.net\u003e:\n\n\u003e I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It'd be a great place to\n\u003e store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?\n\u003e\n\u003e How about we split the difference and go with \"privacy address\"? As Peter\n\u003e notes, that's what people actually like and want. The problem with stealth\n\u003e is it's got strong connotations with American military hardware and perhaps\n\u003e thieves sneaking around in the night:\n\u003e\n\u003e    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch\u0026q=stealth\n\u003e\n\u003e But everyone loves privacy.\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Drak \u003cdrak at zikula.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Peter I agree with you about  \"reusable addresses\", but aren't we also\n\u003e\u003e trying to get away from the word \"address\" entirely?  How about calling it\n\u003e\u003e a \"payment key\" or \"reusable payment key\" instead? using \"stealth\" is just\n\u003e\u003e asking for bad press imo.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e On 16 January 2014 21:28, Peter Todd \u003cpete at petertodd.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote:\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e Might I propose \"reusable address\".\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and even more\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e so encourages wallets to present options as 'one time use' vs\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e 'reusable'.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \u003e adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e I'm very against the name \"reusable addresses\" and strongly belive we\n\u003e\u003e\u003e should stick with the name stealth addresses.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets take standard\n\u003e\u003e\u003e pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay one as many\n\u003e\u003e\u003e times as I want and everything works just great. I also can enter the\n\u003e\u003e\u003e address on blockchain.info's search box, and every transaction related\n\u003e\u003e\u003e to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with \"1\" are reusable. B:\n\u003e\u003e\u003e Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a \"reusable\"\n\u003e\u003e\u003e address. My reaction is \"Huh? Normal addresses are reusable, what's\n\u003e\u003e\u003e special about this weird reusable address thing that my buddy Bob's\n\u003e\u003e\u003e wallet software couldn't pay.\" I might even try to enter in a \"reusable\"\n\u003e\u003e\u003e address in blockchain.info, which won't work, and I'll just figure\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \"must be some new unsupported thing\" and move on with my life.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have \"stealth address\"\n\u003e\u003e\u003e support. I'm going to think \"Huh, stealth? I guess that means privacy\n\u003e\u003e\u003e right? I like privacy.\" If I try searching for a stealth address on\n\u003e\u003e\u003e blockchain.info, when it doesn't work I might think twig on \"Oh right!\n\u003e\u003e\u003e It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the transactions are\n\u003e\u003e\u003e hidden?\" I might also think \"Maybe this is like stealth/incognito mode\n\u003e\u003e\u003e in my browser? So like, there's no history being kept for others to\n\u003e\u003e\u003e see?\" Regardless, I'm going to be thinking \"well I hear scary stuff\n\u003e\u003e\u003e about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like it's gonna\n\u003e\u003e\u003e help, so I should learn more about that\"\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne of very\n\u003e\u003e\u003e fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public conciousness\n\u003e\u003e\u003e already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad\n\u003e\u003e\u003e associations is going to throw away the momentum of that good PR and\n\u003e\u003e\u003e slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup and I\n\u003e\u003e\u003e based on conversations there with people there, technical and\n\u003e\u003e\u003e non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and almost everyone\n\u003e\u003e\u003e seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good thing. 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