{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","author_name":"npub15fc36esk6dy2x4ptk2ner209rl9u0d736gr99edtu9knu9uny80s4g5grz","author_url":"https://nostr.ae/npub15fc36esk6dy2x4ptk2ner209rl9u0d736gr99edtu9knu9uny80s4g5grz","provider_name":"njump","provider_url":"https://nostr.ae","html":"📅 Original date posted:2017-03-29\n📝 Original message:I have heard such theory before, it's a complete mistake to think that\nothers would run full nodes to protect their business and then yours,\nunless it is proven that they are decentralized and independent\n\nRunning a full node is trivial and not expensive for people who know how\nto do it, even with much bigger blocks, assuming that the full nodes are\nstill decentralized and that they don't have to fight against big nodes\nwho would attract the traffic first\n\nI have posted many times here a small proposal, that exactly describes\nwhat is going on now, yes miners are nodes too... it's disturbing to see\nthat despite of Tera bytes of BIPs, papers, etc the current situation is\nhappening and that all the supposed decentralized system is biased by\ncentralization\n\nDo we know what majority controls the 6000 full nodes?\n\n\nLe 29/03/2017 à 22:32, Jared Lee Richardson via bitcoin-dev a écrit :\n\u003e \u003e Perhaps you are fortunate to have a home computer that has more than\n\u003e a single 512GB SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little storage.\n\u003e\n\u003e That's very poor logic, sorry.  Restricted-space SSD's are not a\n\u003e cost-effective hardware option for running a node.  Keeping blocksizes\n\u003e small has significant other costs for everyone.  Comparing the cost of\n\u003e running a node under arbitrary conditons A, B, or C when there are far\n\u003e more efficient options than any of those is a very bad way to think\n\u003e about the costs of running a node.  You basically have to ignore the\n\u003e significant consequences of keeping blocks small.\n\u003e\n\u003e If node operational costs rose to the point where an entire wide swath\n\u003e of users that we do actually need for security purposes could not\n\u003e justify running a node, that's something important for consideration. \n\u003e For me, that translates to modern hardware that's relatively well\n\u003e aligned with the needs of running a node - perhaps budget hardware,\n\u003e but still modern - and above-average bandwidth caps.\n\u003e\n\u003e You're free to disagree, but your example only makes sense to me if\n\u003e blocksize caps didn't have serious consequences.  Even if those\n\u003e consequences are just the threat of a contentious fork by people who\n\u003e are mislead about the real consequences, that threat is still a\n\u003e consequence itself.\n\u003e\n\u003e On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:18 AM, David Vorick via bitcoin-dev\n\u003e \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e \u003cmailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e     Perhaps you are fortunate to have a home computer that has more\n\u003e     than a single 512GB SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little\n\u003e     storage. Throw on top of it standard consumer usage, and you're\n\u003e     often left with less than 200 GB of free space. Bitcoin consumes\n\u003e     more than half of that, which feels very expensive, especially if\n\u003e     it motivates you to buy another drive.\n\u003e\n\u003e     I have talked to several people who cite this as the primary\n\u003e     reason that they are reluctant to join the full node club.\n\u003e\n\u003e     _______________________________________________\n\u003e     bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e     bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e     \u003cmailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\n\u003e     https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e     \u003chttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\n-- \nZcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets\nBitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets\nGet the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist\nCheck the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass\nAnti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org\nPeersm : http://www.peersm.com\ntorrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live\nnode-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor\nGitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms\n\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20170330/c54aa76d/attachment-0001.html\u003e"}