rich1.0npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0https://nostr.ae/npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0njumphttps://nostr.ae📅 Original date posted:2022-10-14 📝 Original message:Also, lightning works fine and is readily available in convenient mobile apps used by millions of people, or in . So the need for a 0conf has been mitigated by other solutions for fast payments with no need for a trust relationship. And for people that don't like mobile risks, core lightning and other solutions are now easily installed and configured for use in fast payments. some references: https://muun.com/ (easy!) https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning (reference, works well with core) https://lightning.network/ (more info) On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 11:11 AM Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 12:03:21PM +0200, John Carvalho via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > In support of Dario's concern, I feel like there is a degree of > gaslighting > > happening with the advancement of RBF somehow being okay, while merchants > > wanting to manage their own 0conf risk better being not okay. > > The way merchants try to manage 0conf risk is quite harmful to Bitcoin. > Connecting to large numbers of nodes to try to risk-manage propagation > _is_ an > attack, albeit a mild one. Everyone doing that is very harmful; only a few > merchants being able to do it is very unfair/centralized. > > ...and of course, in the past this has lead to merchants trying to make > deals > with miners directly, even going as far as to suggest reorging out > double-spends. I don't need to explain why that is obviously extremely > harmful. > > -- > https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20221014/3341dfbc/attachment-0001.html>