<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1hn9vjtvdlnllrltesscgtnplu0ev2sreey03kjh3k07zmvd9zgus24p3n4</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1hn9vjtvdlnllrltesscgtnplu0ev2sreey03kjh3k07zmvd9zgus24p3n4</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-20&#xA;📝 Original message:Yep - similarly: you live in a neighborhood with a local coffee store. Sure&#xA;you could use a stolen credit card or a fake $5 bill, but it&#39;s not worth&#xA;the risk of being caught for a $3 coffee. And on the other side, the store&#xA;can deal with 1% of transactions getting reversed or having a fake bill so&#xA;they don&#39;t change their procedures.&#xA;&#xA;Perfection is not necessary in all situations.&#xA;&#xA;On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Eric Lombrozo &lt;elombrozo at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Luke Dashjr &lt;luke at dashjr.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; On Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:23:03 AM Aaron Voisine wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; They don&#39;t need to be made cryptographically safe, they just have to be&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; safer than, for instance, credit card payments that can be charged&#xA;&gt; back. As&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; long as it&#39;s reasonably good in practice, that&#39;s fine.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; They never will be. You can get a decent rate of success merely by&#xA;&gt; making one&#xA;&gt; &gt; transaction propagate fast (eg, 1 input, 1 output) and the other slow&#xA;&gt; (eg,&#xA;&gt; &gt; 1000 inputs, 1000 outputs) and choosing your peers carefully. The only&#xA;&gt; reason&#xA;&gt; &gt; unconfirmed transactions aren&#39;t double spent today is because nobody is&#xA;&gt; &gt; seriously *trying*.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Luke&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Newspapers are often sold in vending machines that make it possible for&#xA;&gt; anyone to just pay the price of one and take them all…and most of the time&#xA;&gt; they are not that carefully monitored. Why? Because most people have better&#xA;&gt; things to do than try to steal a few newspapers. They probably were much&#xA;&gt; more closely monitored earlier in their history…but once it became clear&#xA;&gt; that despite the obvious attack vector very few people actually try to game&#xA;&gt; it, vendors figured it wasn’t really that big a risk. Same thing applies to&#xA;&gt; people trying to steal a piece of bubble gum at the cash register at a&#xA;&gt; convenience store by double-spending.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; - Eric Lombrozo&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; &gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; &gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; &gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150620/5b12e445/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>