<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-19&#xA;📝 Original message:Double spend detection is by definition best-effort.&#xA;&#xA;The purpose of bitcoin is to provide security (confirmations) to otherwise&#xA;insecure, possibly double spent transactions.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Frank Flores &lt;frankf44 at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Has anyone from Mycelium weighed in on this? Is their doublespend attack&#xA;&gt; detection broken with this kind of irresponsible behavior?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Matt Whitlock &lt;bip at mattwhitlock.name&gt;&#xA;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Friday, 19 June 2015, at 9:18 am, Adrian Macneil wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; If full-RBF sees any significant adoption by miners, then it will&#xA;&gt;&gt; actively&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; harm bitcoin adoption by reducing or removing the ability for online or&#xA;&gt;&gt; POS&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; merchants to accept bitcoin payments at all.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Retail POS merchants probably should not be accepting vanilla Bitcoin&#xA;&gt;&gt; payments, as Bitcoin alone does not (and cannot) guarantee the&#xA;&gt;&gt; irreversibility of a transaction until it has been buried several blocks&#xA;&gt;&gt; deep in the chain. Retail merchants should be requiring a co-signature from&#xA;&gt;&gt; a mutually trusted co-signer that vows never to sign a double-spend. The&#xA;&gt;&gt; reason we don&#39;t yet see such technology permeating the ecosystem is&#xA;&gt;&gt; because, to date, zero-conf transactions have been irreversible &#34;enough,&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt; but this has only been a happy accident; it was never promised, and it&#xA;&gt;&gt; should not be relied upon.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; --&#xA;&gt; *MONEY IS OVER!*&#xA;&gt;                                 IF YOU WANT IT&#xA;&gt; &lt;http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/&gt;&#xA;&gt; =====================================================&#xA;&gt; The causes of my servitude can be traced to the tyranny of money.&#xA;&gt; -Serj Tankian&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;-- &#xA;Jeff Garzik&#xA;Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist&#xA;BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150619/a36b7617/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>