<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1azvhdrf9fu6n0tm7yez4j6zcxcedp2ct6nrcq3z74naqs7kgpk8s5t2krq</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1azvhdrf9fu6n0tm7yez4j6zcxcedp2ct6nrcq3z74naqs7kgpk8s5t2krq</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-07-31&#xA;📝 Original message:I generally agree with this as well. I think it is crucial we avoid&#xA;controversial hardforks. The risks greatly outweigh the benefits.&#xA;&#xA;This is a good start to making it less controversial.&#xA;&#xA;- Eric&#xA;On Jul 31, 2015 2:31 PM, &#34;Jorge Timón&#34; &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &lt;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; These are the types of things I have been discussing in relation to a&#xA;&gt; &gt; process:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; -A list of metrics&#xA;&gt; &gt; -A Risk analysis of the baseline system.  Bitcoin as it is now.&#xA;&gt; &gt; -Mitigation strategies for each risk.&#xA;&gt; &gt; -A set of goals.&#xA;&gt; &gt; -A Road map for each goal that lists the changes or possible avenues to&#xA;&gt; &gt; achieve that goal.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Proposed changes would be measured against the same metrics and a risk&#xA;&gt; &gt; analysis done so it can be compared with the baseline.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; For example, the block size debate would be discussed in the context of a&#xA;&gt; &gt; road map related to a goal of increase scaling.  One of the metrics&#xA;&gt; would be&#xA;&gt; &gt; a decentralization metric.  (A framework for a decentralization metric&#xA;&gt; is at&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/pnorris/Acrobat/stm103%20articles/Schneider_Decentralization.pdf&#xA;&gt; ).&#xA;&gt; &gt; Cost would be one aspect of the decentralization metric.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; All this sounds very reasonable and useful.&#xA;&gt; And if a formal organization owns this &#34;process&#34;, that&#39;s fine as well.&#xA;&gt; I still think hardforks need to be uncontroversial (using the vague &#34;I&#xA;&gt; will know it when I see it&#34; defintion) and no individual or&#xA;&gt; organization can be an &#34;ultimate decider&#34; or otherwise Bitcoin losses&#xA;&gt; all it&#39;s p2p nature (and this seems the point where you, Milly, and I&#xA;&gt; disagree).&#xA;&gt; But metrics and data tend to help when it comes to &#34;I will know it&#xA;&gt; when I see it&#34; and &#34;evidences&#34;.&#xA;&gt; So, yes, by all means, let&#39;s have an imperfect decentralization metric&#xA;&gt; rather than not having anything to compare proposals. Competing&#xA;&gt; decentralization metrics can appear later: we need a first one first.&#xA;&gt; I would add that we should have sets of simulations being used to&#xA;&gt; calculate some of those metrics, but maybe I&#39;m just going too deep&#xA;&gt; into details.&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150731/632e7277/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>