<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1rv5ajnhgrc0wq3ulrk6tcjkgsaq8h4rs5rtsvrnklz4j0lw40egqphc5wt</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1rv5ajnhgrc0wq3ulrk6tcjkgsaq8h4rs5rtsvrnklz4j0lw40egqphc5wt</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-25&#xA;📝 Original message:I am not giving an opinion on the incentive process for developers.  I &#xA;am just saying it exists and it needs to be taken into account when &#xA;developing a process. Pretending it doesn&#39;t exist or taking it as some &#xA;kind of personal insult does not do anything to advance the process.  &#xA;The developer incentives feeds into the consensus process.&#xA;&#xA;Depending on some kind of &#34;rough consensus&#34; with unstated &#xA;personality-based rules of the game works fine with small projects.  As &#xA;the project gets larger that does not scale as can be seen with the &#xA;recent events.  That is just a taste of what will happen in the future &#xA;as new issue arise.  Developers will end up spending all day tweeting &#xA;and making videos instead of writing code.&#xA;&#xA;The current process does not guarantee changes are approved on technical &#xA;merit alone and that is part of the problem.  Since there is no defined &#xA;process people make claims of all sorts of motives that may or may not &#xA;exist.  The idea is to get a defined process that gives a certain level &#xA;of assurance to outsiders that the process is based on things like &#xA;technical merit.&#xA;&#xA;Russ&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On 6/24/2015 11:42 PM, Gareth Williams wrote:&#xA;&gt; On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Milly Bitcoin &lt;milly at bitcoins.info&gt;&#xA;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Also, the incentive for new&#xA;&gt;&gt; developers to come in is that they will be paid by companies who want to&#xA;&gt;&gt; influence the code and this should be considered&#xA;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Now you are left with a broken, unwritten/unspoken process.&#xA;&gt; Your former statement is a great example of why &#34;rough consensus and&#xA;&gt; running code&#34; is superior to design by committee.&#xA;&gt; An argument should be assessed on its technical merit alone, not on&#xA;&gt; the number of people advancing it -- a process that would be open to&#xA;&gt; exactly the type of external manipulation you say you are concerned&#xA;&gt; about.&#xA;&gt;</html></oembed>