<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1kf0ppcjaguxekg24yx6smgxlu73qn0k8lm0t2wrqc0scpl7u3sgsmf3f58</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-03-22&#xA;📝 Original message:One participant, yes.  Two participants lacking net would require a&#xA;serious revisit of BIP 70&#39;s security assumptions and some design, at a&#xA;minimum.&#xA;&#xA;On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Mark Friedenbach &lt;mark at monetize.io&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; Jeff, there are *plenty* of places that lack local Internet access for&#xA;&gt; one or both participants.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Obviously making the case where both participants lack access to the&#xA;&gt; bitcoin network is difficult to secure, but not impossible (e.g. use a&#xA;&gt; telephany-based system to connect to a centralized double-spend&#xA;&gt; database, as VISA does).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I expect the case where one participant has Internet access (the&#xA;&gt; merchant) and the other does not to be very, very common. The majority&#xA;&gt; of transactions I do on a daily basis are like this, and I live in&#xA;&gt; Silicon Valley!&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On 03/22/2014 09:35 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; Let&#39;s not pull out silly examples.  Of course you can find locations&#xA;&gt;&gt; that lack Internet.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Those locations are completely unsuitable to bitcoin transactions,&#xA;&gt;&gt; since the receiver cannot verify double-spending or anything else&#xA;&gt;&gt; about the transaction.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O&#39;Reilly Book&#xA;&gt; &#34;Graph Databases&#34; is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their&#xA;&gt; applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,&#xA;&gt; this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!&#xA;&gt; http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;-- &#xA;Jeff Garzik&#xA;Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist&#xA;BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/</html></oembed>