<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1xg2m84malu0cfm4444r0kysx4rgk27e75aj6sz6538kw8fcz627qeadsv7</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1xg2m84malu0cfm4444r0kysx4rgk27e75aj6sz6538kw8fcz627qeadsv7</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-03-06&#xA;📝 Original message:On 03/06/2014 02:44 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt;     I&#39;m not sure if iso-dep is the way to go here. Afaik as soon as you pick&#xA;&gt;     up the phone the connection breaks.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; If the phone isn&#39;t willing to immediately authorise then it&#39;d have to&#xA;&gt; fall back to HTTPS or Bluetooth as normal.&#xA;&#xA;Ok, that would be an option.&#xA;&#xA;&gt;     Besides, how do you plan to risk-analyse the memo field?&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; I guess only the amount and destination are relevant for risk analysis.&#xA;&#xA;The memo field (and its logical evolution, an invoice) also needs to be&#xA;verified, since its part of the contract. Imagine sitting in a&#xA;restaurant and you&#39;re being presented the bill, most people will do a&#xA;quick scan of the meals and drinks consumed (and non-malignant errors&#xA;are frequent in that business).&#xA;&#xA;&gt;     It&#39;s already very short if you can do without Android Beam, e.g. on&#xA;&gt;     Android 2.3.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; I think IsoDep based protocols must bypass Beam - when I scan my&#xA;&gt; e-passport there&#39;s no beam animation.&#xA;&#xA;Everything except Beam bypasses Beam (-:  Beam is an Android-specific&#xA;protocol. I assume it would also be possible to write an own NDEF&#xA;implementation on top of the low level NFC APIs. I want to try as soon&#xA;as I have a second NFC-capable phone, preferably Android 4.4.&#xA;&#xA;&gt;     Even the current ~10 second roundtrip is a huge improvement to the&#xA;&gt;     status quo. I recently tried to buy a subway ticket and it took me 7&#xA;&gt;     full minutes (just for the payment process)!&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Then that subway kind of sucks ;)&#xA;&#xA;You can&#39;t really blame the subway for a broken payment process.&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Have you been to London and used Oyster?&#xA;&#xA;Yes, it was a complete disaster. Obtaining a ticket took even longer --&#xA;ca. 45 minutes. Boarding the train took some additional seconds,&#xA;compared to no overhead in Germany where we simply don&#39;t have any gates.&#xA;&#xA;On top of that, you walk more (in tunnels) than you get driven around,&#xA;get tracked on each movement and if you want to get your (monetary)&#xA;change, you need to wait for another 45 minutes.&#xA;&#xA;The upside is, when going by public transport in England I always feel&#xA;like Mr. Freeman in City 17  (-:</html></oembed>