<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1m230cem2yh3mtdzkg32qhj73uytgkyg5ylxsu083n3tpjnajxx4qqa2np2</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1m230cem2yh3mtdzkg32qhj73uytgkyg5ylxsu083n3tpjnajxx4qqa2np2</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2017-05-22&#xA;📝 Original message:On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 02:17:07AM -0400, Paul Sztorc via bitcoin-dev wrote:&#xA;&gt; This work includes the relatively new concept of &#34;Blind Merged Mining&#34;&#xA;&gt; [2] which I developed in January to allow SHA256^2 miners to merge-mine&#xA;&gt; these &#34;drivechains&#34;, even if these miners aren&#39;t running the actual&#xA;&gt; sidechain software. The goal is to prevent sidechains from affecting the&#xA;&gt; levelness of the mining &#34;playing field&#34;. BMM is conceptually similar to&#xA;&gt; ZooKeeV [3] which Peter Todd sketched out in mid-2013. BMM is not&#xA;&gt; required for drivechain, but it would address some of the last remaining&#xA;&gt; concerns.&#xA;&#xA;Thanks for the credit, although I think the security properties of what you&#39;re&#xA;proposing are very different - and much weaker - than what I proposed in&#xA;Zookeyv.&#xA;&#xA;As you state in [2] &#34;if miners never validate sidechains at all, whoever bids&#xA;the most for the chain (on a continuous basis), can spam a 3-month long stream&#xA;of invalid headers, and then withdraw all of the coins deposited to the&#xA;sidechain.&#34; and &#34;Since the mining is blind, and the sidechain-withdrawal&#xA;security-level is SPV, miners who remain blind forever have no way of telling&#xA;who “should” really get the funds.&#34;&#xA;&#xA;Finally, you suggest that in this event, miners *do* have to upgrade to a full&#xA;node, an expensive and time-consuming operation (and one that may be impossible&#xA;for some miners if necessary data isn&#39;t available).&#xA;&#xA;It&#39;s unclear to me what the incentive is for miners to do any of this. Could&#xA;you explain in more detail what that incentive is?&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&gt; [2] http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/blind-merged-mining/&#xA;&gt; [3] https://s3.amazonaws.com/peter.todd/bitcoin-wizards-13-10-17.log&#xA;&#xA;-- &#xA;https://petertodd.org &#39;peter&#39;[:-1]@petertodd.org&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;A non-text attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;Name: signature.asc&#xA;Type: application/pgp-signature&#xA;Size: 455 bytes&#xA;Desc: Digital signature&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20170522/c4d63e2f/attachment.sig&gt;</html></oembed>