<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1t9txg5aevth45pu9hcz075tj3ch25fydn8c38wew90qjjdjv3rqq3r6cf0</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1t9txg5aevth45pu9hcz075tj3ch25fydn8c38wew90qjjdjv3rqq3r6cf0</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-03-10&#xA;📝 Original message:I was trying to use bip10 for multisig and coinjoin, but there was a &#xA;problem with it.  I&#39;ll have to look back at my notes, but I thought I &#xA;sent you a message about it. And then real life swallowed my bitcoin time...&#xA;&#xA;I think the bottom line was that it would be useful in the generic case &#xA;with just one minor change.  If there is interest, and it sounds like &#xA;there just may be, I can dust off my notes and see where I left it.  &#xA;Probably should do it soon before someone implements it in PB or XML.&#xA;&#xA;Alan Reiner wrote:&#xA;&gt; Then of course I tried to do this with BIP 10 &#xA;&gt; &lt;https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0010.mediawiki&gt; when &#xA;&gt; Armory implemented offline-transactions two years ago.  I got some &#xA;&gt; positive feedback, but no one wanted to help improve it, etc.  I guess &#xA;&gt; nobody else was doing it and/or cared at the time.  So I continue to &#xA;&gt; use BIP 10 even though it&#39;s pretty crappy.  I wanted it to be useful &#xA;&gt; for multisig, too, but it has some deficiencies there (it was done &#xA;&gt; when Armory was extremely young and OP_EVAL was still on the table).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; However, with all this activity, we should start thinking about that &#xA;&gt; and discussing it.  Otherwise, I&#39;ll just do my own thing again and &#xA;&gt; probably end up with something that fits my own needs, but not anyone &#xA;&gt; else&#39;s.  Really though, multisig shouldn&#39;t require all the same app to &#xA;&gt; work.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; -Alan&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On 03/10/2014 01:49 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; In my experience, best process for standardizing something is:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; 1) Somebody has a great idea&#xA;&gt;&gt; 2) They implement it&#xA;&gt;&gt; 3) Everybody agrees, &#34;Great idea!&#34; and they copy it.&#xA;&gt;&gt; 4) Idea gets refined by the people copying it.&#xA;&gt;&gt; 5) It gets standardized.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Mutisig wallets are at step 2 right now. BIP is step 5, in my humble &#xA;&gt;&gt; opinion...&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Drak &lt;drak at zikula.org &#xA;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:drak at zikula.org&gt;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     I was wondering if there would be merit in a kind of BIP for a&#xA;&gt;&gt;     payment protocol using multisig?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     Currently, setting up a multisig is quite a feat. Users have to&#xA;&gt;&gt;     exchange public keys, work out how to get the public keys from&#xA;&gt;&gt;     their addresses. If one of the parties are not savvy enough, an&#xA;&gt;&gt;     malicious party could easily be setup that was 2 of 3 instead of&#xA;&gt;&gt;     2 of 2 where the malicious party generates the multisig&#xA;&gt;&gt;     address+script and thus be able to run off with funds anyway.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     It&#39;s also terribly complex to generate and keep track of. There&#39;s&#xA;&gt;&gt;     been a nice attempt at creating an browser interface at&#xA;&gt;&gt;     coinb.in/multisig &lt;http://coinb.in/multisig&gt; but it still lacks&#xA;&gt;&gt;     the kind of ease with created by the payment protocol. If there&#xA;&gt;&gt;     was a BIP then it would go a long way to aiding future usability&#xA;&gt;&gt;     of multisig wallet implementations.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     What are your thoughts?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     Drak&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;&gt;     Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O&#39;Reilly Book&#xA;&gt;&gt;     &#34;Graph Databases&#34; is the definitive new guide to graph databases&#xA;&gt;&gt;     and their&#xA;&gt;&gt;     applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,&#xA;&gt;&gt;     this first edition is now available. 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