<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub18nln9r4lzug8hzsmegqwsl9040ckpqquyz73v4du495xmmepwf0qaltg35</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub18nln9r4lzug8hzsmegqwsl9040ckpqquyz73v4du495xmmepwf0qaltg35</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-14&#xA;📝 Original message:Jeff,&#xA;&#xA;with all due respect, but I&#39;ve seen you saying this a few times&#xA;now, that this decision is oh so difficult and important.&#xA;&#xA;But this is not helpful. We all know that. Even I.&#xA;&#xA;Make a suggestion, or stay out of the debate!&#xA;&#xA;Mats&#xA;&#xA;On 06/14/2015 07:36 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:&#xA;&gt; The choice is very real and on-point.  What should the block size limit&#xA;&gt; be?  Why?&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; There is a large consensus that it needs increasing.  To what?  By what&#xA;&gt; factor?&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; The size limit literally defines the fee market, the whole damn thing.  If&#xA;&gt; software high priests choose a size limit of 300k, space is scarce, fees&#xA;&gt; are bid high.  If software high priests choose a size limit of 32mb, space&#xA;&gt; is plentiful, fees are near zero.  Market actors take their signals&#xA;&gt; accordingly.  Some business models boom, some business models fail, as a&#xA;&gt; direct result of changing this unintentionally-added speedbump.  Different&#xA;&gt; users value adoption, decentralization etc. differently.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; The size limit is an economic policy lever that needs to be transitioned&#xA;&gt; -away- from software and software developers, to the free market.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; A simple, e.g. hard fork to 2MB or 4MB does not fix higher level governance&#xA;&gt; problems associated with actors lobbying developers, even if a cloistered&#xA;&gt; and vetted Technical Advisory Board as has been proposed.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Eric Lombrozo &lt;elombrozo at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; I definitely think we need some voting system for metaconsensus…but if&#xA;&gt;&gt; we’re going to seriously consider this we should look at the problem much&#xA;&gt;&gt; more generally. Using false choices doesn’t really help, though ;)&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; - Eric Lombrozo&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Jeff Garzik &lt;jgarzik at bitpay.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Eric Lombrozo &lt;elombrozo at gmail.com&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2) BIP100 has direct economic consequences…and particularly for miners.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; It lends itself to much greater corruptibility.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; What is the alternative?  Have a Chief Scientist or Technical Advisory&#xA;&gt;&gt; Board choose what is a proper fee, what is a proper level of&#xA;&gt;&gt; decentralization, a proper growth factor?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;</html></oembed>