<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1vjzmc45k8dgujppapp2ue20h3l9apnsntgv4c0ukncvv549q64gsz4x8dd</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1vjzmc45k8dgujppapp2ue20h3l9apnsntgv4c0ukncvv549q64gsz4x8dd</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2023-02-17&#xA;📝 Original message:&#xA;As long as protocol development and design is done neutrally, I&#39;m all fine!&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Le ven. 17 févr. 2023 à 10:48, Joost Jager &lt;joost.jager at gmail.com&gt; a écrit :&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Right, that was my above point about fetching scoring data - there&#39;s three&#xA;&gt;&gt; relevant &#34;buckets&#34; of&#xA;&gt;&gt; nodes, I think - (a) large nodes sending lots of payments, like the&#xA;&gt;&gt; above, (b) &#34;client nodes&#34; that&#xA;&gt;&gt; just connect to an LSP or two, (c) nodes that route some but don&#39;t send a&#xA;&gt;&gt; lot of payments (but do&#xA;&gt;&gt; send *some* payments), and may have lots or not very many channels.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; (a) I think we&#39;re getting there, and we don&#39;t need to add anything extra&#xA;&gt;&gt; for this use-case beyond&#xA;&gt;&gt; the network maturing and improving our scoring algorithms.&#xA;&gt;&gt; (b) I think is trivially solved by downloading the data from a node in&#xA;&gt;&gt; category (a), presumably the&#xA;&gt;&gt; LSP(s) in question (see other branch of this thread)&#xA;&gt;&gt; (c) is trickier, but I think the same solution of just fetching&#xA;&gt;&gt; semi-trusted data here more than&#xA;&gt;&gt; sufficies. For most routing nodes that don&#39;t send a lot of payments we&#39;re&#xA;&gt;&gt; talking about a very small&#xA;&gt;&gt; amount of payments, so trusting a third-party for scoring data seems&#xA;&gt;&gt; reasonable.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I see that in your view all nodes will either be large nodes themselves,&#xA;&gt; or be downloading scoring data from large nodes. I&#39;d argue that that is&#xA;&gt; more of a move towards centralisation than the `ha` flag is. The flag at&#xA;&gt; least allows small nodes to build up their view of the network in an&#xA;&gt; efficient and independently manner.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Joost&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Lightning-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20230217/36b81f39/attachment-0001.html&gt;</html></oembed>