<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1vjzmc45k8dgujppapp2ue20h3l9apnsntgv4c0ukncvv549q64gsz4x8dd</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1vjzmc45k8dgujppapp2ue20h3l9apnsntgv4c0ukncvv549q64gsz4x8dd</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2022-11-24&#xA;📝 Original message:&#xA;Hi Clara,&#xA;&#xA;I think the simplest recommended policy you can devise is credential shown&#xA;to the routing hop should cover for full routing fees, therefore the&#xA;routing hop benefits from a zero-jamming risk situation. Then you can&#xA;appreciate the &#34;liquidity value&#34; credentials requested in function of your&#xA;local channel congestion rate, or even network data. Increasing your&#xA;returns in exchange of higher risk exposure. And even more, you can lay on&#xA;top a reputation layer, where the reputation scores are fully fungible&#xA;against monetary credentials, in the acceptance of a HTLC forward request.&#xA;&#xA;So I think I agree with you a recommended policy is needed, let&#39;s just&#xA;start with a simple one! And refine it with time once we sense we have&#xA;solid foundations.&#xA;&#xA;Best,&#xA;Antoine&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Le mer. 23 nov. 2022 à 11:00, Clara Shikhelman &lt;clara.shikhelman at gmail.com&gt;&#xA;a écrit :&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Hi Antoine,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; To discuss your proposed solution in detail, I think that some kind of&#xA;&gt; recommended policy is needed. If presenting one is a low priority, and&#xA;&gt; waiting for other things, my main concern is that it will just never happen&#xA;&gt; (&#34;any decade now&#34; kind of situation).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Best,&#xA;&gt; Clara&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 8:13 PM Antoine Riard &lt;antoine.riard at gmail.com&gt;&#xA;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Hi Clara,&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Shared the mail on #lightning-dev Libera chat to get more feedback on&#xA;&gt;&gt; schedule.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; Do you have a timeline in mind for presenting such a policy?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; See the comments on the BOLT #1043  PR, for now I&#39;m thinking more to&#xA;&gt;&gt; refine the proposed credentials architectural framework.&#xA;&gt;&gt; I think dynamic routing policy in function of channel congestion rate,&#xA;&gt;&gt; and you combine that with reputation to do active risk-management are far&#xA;&gt;&gt; more advanced questions.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Best,&#xA;&gt;&gt; Antoine&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 15:54, Clara Shikhelman &lt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; clara.shikhelman at gmail.com&gt; a écrit :&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Dear All,&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; If the call time (Monday the 28th at 7 pm UTC) doesn&#39;t work out for you,&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; please reach out!&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks for your quick and detailed response, Antoine.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; If by recommend policy, you mean the set of algorithms that should guide&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the token quantity, rate issuance, token acquisition cost, and the&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; adaptations in function of the local channel congestion, or even the&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gossips of the other routing nodes, not at all.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you have a timeline in mind for presenting such a policy?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Looking forward to discussing this further over the phone call, will&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; make some inquiries to make sure the time works for most people.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Best,&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Clara&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20221123/4dfcbdf3/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>