<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub17fjkngg0s0mfx4uhhz6n4puhflwvrhn2h5c78vdr5xda4mvqx89swntr0s</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub17fjkngg0s0mfx4uhhz6n4puhflwvrhn2h5c78vdr5xda4mvqx89swntr0s</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2020-10-05&#xA;📝 Original message:&#xA;Hi darosior,&#xA;&#xA;This is true, but we haven&#39;t solved yet how to estimate a good enough&#xA;`min_relay_fee` that works&#xA;for end-to-end tx propagation over the network.&#xA;&#xA;We&#39;ve discussed this during the last two spec meetings, but it&#39;s still&#xA;unclear whether we&#39;ll be able to solve&#xA;this before package-relay lands in bitcoin, so I wanted to explore this as&#xA;a potential more short-term&#xA;solution. But maybe it&#39;s not worth the effort and we should focus more on&#xA;anchors and `min_relay_fee`,&#xA;we&#39;ll see ;)&#xA;&#xA;Bastien&#xA;&#xA;Le lun. 5 oct. 2020 à 15:25, darosior &lt;darosior at protonmail.com&gt; a écrit :&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Hi Bastien,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I think that *in some cases*, fundees should be paying a portion of the&#xA;&gt; commit-tx on-chain fees,&#xA;&gt; otherwise we may end up with a web-of-trust network where channels would&#xA;&gt; only exist between peers&#xA;&gt; that trust each other, which is quite limiting (I&#39;m hoping we can do&#xA;&gt; better).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Agreed.&#xA;&gt; However in an anchor outputs future the funder only pays for the&#xA;&gt; &#34;backbone&#34; fees of the channel and the fees necessary to secure the&#xA;&gt; confirmation of transactions is paid in second stage by each interested&#xA;&gt; party (*). It seems to me to be a reasonable middle-ground.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; (*) Credits to ZmnSCPxj for pointing this out to me on IRC.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Darosior&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20201005/b987b4a9/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>