<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1uu2fve28mkg68uequseraz8gee7qg64733lr9r2g4c0xs5pmqnuslr4rpf</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1uu2fve28mkg68uequseraz8gee7qg64733lr9r2g4c0xs5pmqnuslr4rpf</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-10-06&#xA;📝 Original message:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----&#xA;Hash: SHA1&#xA;&#xA;That&#39;s for Mike Hearn. Sooner the better. Hong Kong, December?&#xA;Venzen Khaosan&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On 10/07/2015 01:23 AM, Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev wrote:&#xA;&gt; Tell you what, eloquent guy...&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Give me 15 minutes in a public open mic session with you and i&#39;ll &#xA;&gt; remove you from your high horse and close your voice in Bitcoin,&#xA;&gt; for good.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Guaranteed. You&#39;re too stupid for me to let you run loose with&#xA;&gt; client funds and this great innovation.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Anytime, anywhere. I&#39;m ready to dismantle your intellectual&#xA;&gt; bankruptcy in front of the world.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; I&#39;ll go for your psychological throat first.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Sincerely, Venzen Khaosan.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; On 10/05/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; Hey Sergio,&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; To clarify: my /single/ objection is that CLTV should be a hard &#xA;&gt;&gt; fork. I haven&#39;t been raising never-ending technical objections, &#xA;&gt;&gt; there&#39;s only one.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; I /have/ been answering all the various reasons being brought up &#xA;&gt;&gt; why I&#39;m wrong and soft forks are awesome .... and there do seem&#xA;&gt;&gt; to be a limitless number of such emails .... but on my side it&#39;s&#xA;&gt;&gt; still just a single objection. If CLTV is a hard fork then I&#xA;&gt;&gt; won&#39;t be objecting anymore, right?&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; CLTV deployment is clearly controversial. Many developers other &#xA;&gt;&gt; than me have noted that hard forks are cleaner, and have other &#xA;&gt;&gt; desirable properties. I&#39;m not the only one who sees a big&#xA;&gt;&gt; question mark over soft forks.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; As everyone in the Bitcoin community has been clearly told that &#xA;&gt;&gt; controversial changes to the consensus rules must not happen,&#xA;&gt;&gt; it&#39;s clear that CLTV cannot happen in its current form.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; Now I&#39;ll be frank - you are quite correct that I fully expect&#xA;&gt;&gt; the Core maintainers to ignore this controversy and do CLTV as a&#xA;&gt;&gt; soft fork anyway. I&#39;m a cynic. I don&#39;t think &#34;everyone must&#xA;&gt;&gt; agree&#34; is workable and have said so from the start. Faced with a&#xA;&gt;&gt; choice of going back on their public statements or having to make&#xA;&gt;&gt; changes to something they clearly want, I expect them to redefine&#xA;&gt;&gt; what &#34;real consensus&#34; means. I hope I&#39;m wrong, but if I&#39;m not&#xA;&gt;&gt; ..... well, at least everyone will see what Gavin and I have been&#xA;&gt;&gt; talking about for so many months.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; But I&#39;d rather the opcode is tweaked. There&#39;s real financial&#xA;&gt;&gt; risks to a soft fork.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&gt; mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org &#xA;&gt;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing&#xA;&gt; list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org &#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &#xA;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----&#xA;Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)&#xA;&#xA;iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWFBLWAAoJEGwAhlQc8H1mRM8H/0p2sz0gtu62bB+NrllRgU20&#xA;C4imzMr904X7JicqDsGhtySGdyk8DuHBSK4k1A3pOgPb+DoNQhcOUfZ2ZTNgR2tT&#xA;yjJHrJP2X+g8YixyQiQNBf65bogTgeBGEizh/H33RSGzdHwoIfeVS5Qja/AMUnk1&#xA;4XO8d+t5OdtYdKANmR/uUZikrnOXd6KIt9rmJhYUjqmLWXbHzQkhES0mFvJ1BdVZ&#xA;ZHNjnWzoE74NAEmPqhhhtU/GCFKQhBq7HHAnqkMoeWk0mgJoGCc+b/4/PwchmUJq&#xA;CmVO2TJFrnHb4tYAFgw14tdbSe5ERYT0pHW4qM3gJlYL1ik03k0iQDZZ0eStaXM=&#xA;=bwvw&#xA;-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</html></oembed>