<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1jkdfcglr59lwnhek94l393g0hhhaj0v5yzz3n5s3p0r9u0576sgs7373ck</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1jkdfcglr59lwnhek94l393g0hhhaj0v5yzz3n5s3p0r9u0576sgs7373ck</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-04-30&#xA;📝 Original message:On 30/04/14 23:55, Mike Hearn wrote:&#xA;&gt;     If Bitcoin works correctly nobody should have to care if they consider&#xA;&gt;     themselves attackers, defenders, or little green men from Mars.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; One last time, I request that people read the white paper from 2008&#xA;&gt; before making statements like this. If the notion of attacker was&#xA;&gt; irrelevant to Bitcoin, it would not be mentioned in the abstract, would it? &#xA;&#xA;I&#39;ve read it :) The notion of an attacker is obviously relevant to&#xA;someone designing the system. It should not be relevant to someone&#xA;running a node.&#xA;&#xA;I&#39;ll retire from posting on this too, I&#39;ve posted way too much.&#xA;&#xA;Our fundamental disagreement is simply that you think Bitcoin is, or&#xA;should be, a /democratic/ system. I think Bitcoin is, and should be, a&#xA;/trustless/ system. If we&#39;re going to resort to appeal to authority,&#xA;I&#39;ll point to the words &#34;Electronic Cash System&#34; in the title of&#xA;Satoshi&#39;s whitepaper :-P He intended to create ecash; that&#39;s widely&#xA;understood to mean trustless.&#xA;&#xA;If there was this magic computer up in the sky somewhere, free from&#xA;human influence, that would run Satoshi&#39;s code for him in perpetuity&#xA;(let&#39;s overlook the initial upload please, bear with me), then I believe&#xA;Satoshi would&#39;ve built his perfectly trustless ecash to run on that.&#xA;&#xA;For lack of such a magic masterless computer he had to approximate one,&#xA;ingeniously using distributed consensus to achieve it. That&#39;s his real&#xA;invention - the &#34;magic masterless computer&#34; simulator, and the incentive&#xA;scheme to get the world to run it for him. (We&#39;ll see more of what it&#xA;can do if Ethereum ever gets off the ground.)&#xA;&#xA;But for Pete&#39;s sake, Bitcoin is trustless. Just because the&#xA;infrastructure it sits atop is &#34;democratic&#34; (because there was no other&#xA;way to implement it,) doesn&#39;t mean you suddenly have to start voting on&#xA;everything.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;A non-text attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;Name: signature.asc&#xA;Type: application/pgp-signature&#xA;Size: 555 bytes&#xA;Desc: OpenPGP digital signature&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20140501/afb10d09/attachment.sig&gt;</html></oembed>