<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub17kz55p7ysz4ftvq2xyr2zamc776cygwcm5fdz8ndj3jm5umm65xq4sr5tq</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub17kz55p7ysz4ftvq2xyr2zamc776cygwcm5fdz8ndj3jm5umm65xq4sr5tq</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-27&#xA;📝 Original message:&#34;Thus we have a fixed capacity system where access is mediated by supply&#xA;and demand transaction fees.&#34;&#xA;&#xA;There is no supply and demand. That would mean users would be able to adapt&#xA;fees and get different quality of service depending on current capacity.&#xA;For example if peak load is 10x average load, then at those times fees&#xA;would be higher and users would delay transactions to smooth out demand.&#xA;&#xA;On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Peter Todd &lt;pete at petertodd.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:19:04PM -0400, Michael Naber wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; That test seems like a reasonable suggestion; 840GB is not prohibitive&#xA;&gt; &gt; given today&#39;s computing costs. What other than the successful result of&#xA;&gt; &gt; that test would you want to see before agreeing to increase the block&#xA;&gt; size&#xA;&gt; &gt; to 8MB?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The two main things you need to show is:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; 1) Small, anonymous, miners remain approximately as profitable as large&#xA;&gt; miners, regardless of whether they are in the world, and even when&#xA;&gt; miners are under attack. Remember I&#39;m talking about mining here, not&#xA;&gt; just hashing - the process of selling your hashpower to someone else who&#xA;&gt; is actually doing the mining.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; As for &#34;approximately as profitable&#34;, based on a 10% profit margin, a 5%&#xA;&gt; profitability difference between a negligable ~0% hashing power miner&#xA;&gt; and a 50% hashing power miner is a good standard here.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The hard part here is basically keeping orphan rates low, as the %5&#xA;&gt; profitability different on %10 profit margin implies an orphan rate of&#xA;&gt; about 0.5% - roughly what we have right now if not actually a bit lower.&#xA;&gt; That also implies blocks propagate across the network in just a few&#xA;&gt; seconds in the worst case, where blocks are being generated with&#xA;&gt; transactions in them that are not already in mempools - circumventing&#xA;&gt; propagation optimization techniques. As we&#39;re talking about small&#xA;&gt; miners, we can&#39;t assume the miners are directly conneted to each other.&#xA;&gt; (which itself is dangerous from an attack point of view - if they&#39;re&#xA;&gt; directly connected they can be DoS attacked)&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; 2) Medium to long term plan to pay for hashing power. Without scarcity&#xA;&gt; of blockchain space there is no reason to think that transaction fees&#xA;&gt; won&#39;t fall to the marginal cost of including a transaction, which&#xA;&gt; doesn&#39;t leave anything to pay for proof-of-work security. A proposal&#xA;&gt; meeting this criteria will have to be clever if you don&#39;t keep the&#xA;&gt; blocksize sufficiently limited that transaction fees are non-negligable.&#xA;&gt; One possible approach - if probably politically non-viable - would be to&#xA;&gt; change the inflation schedule so that the currency is inflated&#xA;&gt; indefinitely.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; --&#xA;&gt; &#39;peter&#39;[:-1]@petertodd.org&#xA;&gt; 0000000000000000007fc13ce02072d9cb2a6d51fae41fefcde7b3b283803d24&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150627/df971066/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>