<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub10hvdghlzknsxl8n9fhevm3hc6ppgkmnhjl0x7999hylnmcm3jursv9xjf9</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub10hvdghlzknsxl8n9fhevm3hc6ppgkmnhjl0x7999hylnmcm3jursv9xjf9</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2021-05-23&#xA;📝 Original message:&gt;&gt; The turn-around time for that takes a population of both users and&#xA;&gt;&gt; miners to cause. Increasing popularity of bitcoin has a far bigger&#xA;&gt;&gt; impact here, and it is already raising fees and energy use at an&#xA;&gt;&gt; established rate.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; If it becomes an issue, as bandwidth increases block size could be&#xA;&gt;&gt; raised to lower fees.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Which increases block rewards somewhat (at least to some level that matches&#xA;&gt; the overall security of the network) and you still have the same amount of&#xA;&gt; energy consumed.&#xA;&#xA;If you mean to implicitly propose that even if halved all the way with&#xA;very large blocks, block rewards would just increase to the same&#xA;level, meaning that any attempt to decrease them has no effect, I&#xA;disagree.    I expect that if you raise the block size, eventually&#xA;there is so much supply for transactions that there are no fees at all&#xA;(nor security).  The numbers are all things the devs, miners, and&#xA;users can together control.&#xA;&#xA;&gt; How to prove this is not happening?&#xA;&gt; The best you can do is to have some number of authorities sign off on&#xA;&gt; whether or not they are doing this.&#xA;&gt; The problem is that authorities are bribeable.&#xA;&#xA;You could make the proof of work be a proof of environmental kindness&#xA;by coding incentives for people to place and verify proof on the&#xA;chain, and then rewarding people for acting on it as desired.  You&#xA;could code the chain to pay people to investigate and prove miners&#39;&#xA;business practices, for example.  You could define the main chain as&#xA;one where everyone consents the proofs are valid.  There are a lot of&#xA;issues to resolve and it would be a very different chain.&#xA;&#xA;There is not a single solution here.  There are innumerable possible&#xA;solutions, any one of which could be made to work with enough brains&#xA;working on it.  To use one, we need to agree on what kinds of&#xA;solutions are acceptable.&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Alternately, other entities in the locality can use force to require the&#xA;&gt; polluting entity to clean up or suffer significant consequences.&#xA;&gt; This at least is better incentive-wise, as they others in the same locality&#xA;&gt; are the ones most affected, but the ability to enforce may be difficult due&#xA;&gt; to various political constructions; the miners could be in such deep cahoots&#xA;&gt; with the local government that the local government would willingly hurt&#xA;&gt; other local entities in the vicinity of the polluting entity.&#xA;&#xA;As bitcoin grows, if people ask some locality to enforce behavior,&#xA;they may need to be willing to enforce it themselves, too, or they&#xA;might outcompete the locality.</html></oembed>