<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1sa86gng3pvs3jgyt5majwcrhn8ck5qxgy9pjqxkh79u638cd7dys28y304</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1sa86gng3pvs3jgyt5majwcrhn8ck5qxgy9pjqxkh79u638cd7dys28y304</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-07-23&#xA;📝 Original message:And it&#39;s obvious how a size cap would interfere with such a QoS scheme. Miners wouldn&#39;t be able to deliver the below guarantees if they have to start excluding transactions.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev &lt;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Quality of service as in:&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; X satoshi / kb = included in block currently worked on;&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; Y satoshi / kb = included in next block;&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; Z satoshi / kb = included in block after that, etc.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Block count starts when transaction is first seen. Miners can set X, Y, Z. &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Market develops when miners start setting different values and adding more transactions to blocks as opposed to other miners with higher settings. &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; It basically comes down to the miners themselves if they want a healthy fee market. If they stick to their guns, their influence on the fees will be proportional to their hashing power.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; jp&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Eric Lombrozo &lt;elombrozo at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman &lt;jeanpaulkogelman at me.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; You are not going to get a fair fee market if your only form of enforcement is the threat of exclusion.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; A more fair fee market will develop if miners start offering quality of service, preferably at multiple tiers. At that point any interference from a block size cap will only be detrimental. In fact it will only highlight what the cap is actually for; to prevent monster blocks.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Add better QoS tools for miners and extend the cap (when possible) and there&#39;s your fee market.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; jp&#xA;&gt;&gt; &#xA;&gt;&gt; Not sure what you mean by QoS here. Either your transaction is included or it isn’t. It’s not like you can upgrade to a master suite with a view or anything.&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</html></oembed>