<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1m230cem2yh3mtdzkg32qhj73uytgkyg5ylxsu083n3tpjnajxx4qqa2np2</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1m230cem2yh3mtdzkg32qhj73uytgkyg5ylxsu083n3tpjnajxx4qqa2np2</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-27&#xA;📝 Original message:On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:09:16PM -0400, Michael Naber wrote:&#xA;&gt; The goal of Bitcoin Core is to meet the demand for global consensus as&#xA;&gt; effectively as possible. Please let&#39;s keep the conversation on how to best&#xA;&gt; meet that goal.&#xA;&#xA;Keep in mind that Andresen and Hearn both propose that the majority of&#xA;Bitcoin users, even businesses, abandon the global consensus technology&#xA;aspect of Bitcoin - running full nodes - and instead adopt trust&#xA;technology instead - running SPV nodes.&#xA;&#xA;We&#39;re very much focused on meeting the demand for global consensus&#xA;technology, but unfortunately global consensus is also has inherently&#xA;O(n^2) scaling with current approaches available. Thus we have a fixed&#xA;capacity system where access is mediated by supply and demand&#xA;transaction fees.&#xA;&#xA;&gt; The off-chain solutions you enumerate are are useful solutions in their&#xA;&gt; respective domains, but none of them solves the global consensus problem&#xA;&gt; with any greater efficiency than Bitcoin does.&#xA;&#xA;Solutions like (hub-and-spoke) payment channels, Lightning, etc. allow&#xA;users of the global consensus technology in Bitcoin to use that&#xA;technology in much more effcient ways, leveraging a relatively small&#xA;amount of global consensus to do large numbers of transactions&#xA;trustlessly.&#xA;&#xA;-- &#xA;&#39;peter&#39;[:-1]@petertodd.org&#xA;0000000000000000007fc13ce02072d9cb2a6d51fae41fefcde7b3b283803d24&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;A non-text attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;Name: signature.asc&#xA;Type: application/pgp-signature&#xA;Size: 650 bytes&#xA;Desc: Digital signature&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150627/f62ccdee/attachment.sig&gt;</html></oembed>