<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1gg0pysd236d4em7pts906ev9kf6f30j8werd40j2vwpes7fqdn4qtt7uvk</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1gg0pysd236d4em7pts906ev9kf6f30j8werd40j2vwpes7fqdn4qtt7uvk</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-05-30&#xA;📝 Original message:Thank you very much Chun Wang for the details below.&#xA;&#xA;While I&#39;m based in HK, but I&#39;d like to propose that the miners in China&#xA;work together with Gavin and others to run an experiment of sorts next&#xA;month to gather more details for the community.&#xA;&#xA;p.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Chun Wang &lt;1240902 at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Gavin Andresen &lt;gavinandresen at gmail.com&gt;&#xA;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; Bad miners could attack us and the network with artificial&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; big blocks.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; How?&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; I ran some simulations, and I could not find a network topology where a&#xA;&gt; big&#xA;&gt; &gt; miner producing big blocks could cause a loss of profit to another miner&#xA;&gt; &gt; (big or small) producing smaller blocks:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; http://gavinandresen.ninja/are-bigger-blocks-better-for-bigger-miners&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; (the 0.3% advantage I DID find was for the situation where EVERYBODY was&#xA;&gt; &gt; producing big blocks).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; If someone propagate a 20MB block, it will take at best 6 seconds for&#xA;&gt; us to receive to verify it at current configuration, result of one&#xA;&gt; percent orphan rate increase. Or, we can mine the next block only on&#xA;&gt; the previous block&#39;s header, in this case, the network would see many&#xA;&gt; more transaction-less blocks.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Our orphan rate is about 0.5% over the past few months. If the network&#xA;&gt; floods 20MB blocks, it can be well above 2%. Besides bandwidth, A 20MB&#xA;&gt; block could contain an average of 50000 transactions, hundred of&#xA;&gt; thousands of sigops, Do you have an estimate how long it takes on the&#xA;&gt; submitblock rpccall?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; For references, our 30Mbps bandwidth in Beijing costs us 1350 dollars&#xA;&gt; per month. We also use Aliyun and Linode cloud services for block&#xA;&gt; propagation. As of May 2015, the price is 0.13 U.S. dollars per GB for&#xA;&gt; 100Mbps connectivity at Aliyun. For a single cross-border TCP&#xA;&gt; connection, it would be certainly far slower than 12.5 MB/s.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I think we can accept 5MB block at most.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; (sorry forgot to cc to the mailing list)&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150531/0a109f73/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>