<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub15wz8j5cse6sexlw6f5q7arc5efe5hxn6kcxxyy222et8qms4u3lsemaru8</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub15wz8j5cse6sexlw6f5q7arc5efe5hxn6kcxxyy222et8qms4u3lsemaru8</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-09-28&#xA;📝 Original message:Why are they called soft forks when they are really hidden forks?  Isn&#39;t&#xA;the point of a soft fork to prevent old clients from rejecting what they&#xA;don&#39;t have the code to validate?  That seems dangerous.&#xA;&#xA;notplato&#xA;&#xA;On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----&#xA;&gt; Hash: SHA512&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; And still no movement on BIP 63...&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.20&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Apart from that,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; All my prior objections to XT still hold as expressed on this list.&#xA;&gt; XT is not acceptable.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On the topic of consensus:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Reaching consensus, I hope, is something that developers can&#xA;&gt; accomplish by refining and adjusting the BIPS and coming to agreement&#xA;&gt; upon them.  This should be something that can be done in a few months&#xA;&gt; time, before the end of the year.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Cheers,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; - - O&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Adam Back via bitcoin-dev:&#xA;&gt; &gt; I wonder what Gavin&#39;s views are, he&#39;s usually constructive, and see&#xA;&gt; &gt; if he&#39;ll include it in XT - I think he may have said he was&#xA;&gt; &gt; supportive.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; The rationale for soft vs hard-forks is well known, so I wont go&#xA;&gt; &gt; over them.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; Adam&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; On 28 September 2015 at 06:48, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &gt; &lt;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; There is no consensus on using a soft fork to deploy this&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; feature. It will result in the same problems as all the other&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; soft forks - SPV wallets will become less reliable during the&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; rollout period. I am against that, as it&#39;s entirely avoidable.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; Make it a hard fork and my objection will be dropped.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; Until then, as there is no consensus, you need to do one of two&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; things:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; 1) Drop the &#34;everyone must agree to make changes&#34; idea that&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; people here like to peddle, and do it loudly, so everyone in the&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; community is correctly informed&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; 2) Do nothing&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing&#xA;&gt; &gt; list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; &gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; - --&#xA;&gt; http://abis.io ~&#xA;&gt; &#34;a protocol concept to enable decentralization&#xA;&gt; and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good&#34;&#xA;&gt; https://keybase.io/odinn&#xA;&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWCa0jAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuCUIALiRt6cE3b+9f+l9m6aMTjIR&#xA;&gt; vTEIM/7B4dIZW9eatXmkxyd44uz5YoN93SlZtV62c90HCqqpFRBCfyXRyXzQ11E7&#xA;&gt; 0i70or5LnWDOqrD1bSsCEdrQxPIpAQnv101UHe3iyn/uHAVBiz/HfqvGMruNt0r1&#xA;&gt; 4sMecp+LedWpy6/p9c6iMHV1rhtYRfmRfJHj+9KlSn+in5PQKx2kieWqpfqjmlNs&#xA;&gt; J/UNoLvRuF0YxDcqEdp2BAaI0s+NyXBo3YDi4R77U9YPRj/cYuWHh/yPKAvFW+2K&#xA;&gt; 0d9NNuKSKEY/m4uW3ghPEJL7OxlGbOoNWFS3kcKYr+BanfsPTov7yHQhBuRBRPw=&#xA;&gt; =hd0W&#xA;&gt; -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150928/fd9d5a38/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>