<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1sm6zhjmk5scuz294jmpkw99wwwjzetjgwp4fu4gn6utqgdz87hkqamnq7h</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1sm6zhjmk5scuz294jmpkw99wwwjzetjgwp4fu4gn6utqgdz87hkqamnq7h</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2013-11-14&#xA;📝 Original message:Just keep in mind it will be a little awkward that 54.3 uBTC is the&#xA;smallest unit that can be transferred [easily] and the standard fees are&#xA;500 uBTC.    It&#39;s not a deal breaker, it&#39;s just something that needs to&#xA;be taken into consideration when it comes to user perception (which is&#xA;one of the reasons we would make such a change in the first place). &#xA;&#xA;&#34;Holy crap these fees are huge!  I thought Bitcoin didn&#39;t have fees!&#34;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On 11/14/2013 04:55 PM, Allen Piscitello wrote:&#xA;&gt; I also would prefer to go straight to uBTC as the &#34;standard wallet unit&#34;.    It works out&#xA;perfectly with Satoshi&#39;s being the decimal units.  Something that costs&#xA;$10USD would be 25000uBTC.  This isn&#39;t a problem for a place like South&#xA;Korea, where 10USD is about 10,000 Won, so we aren&#39;t even off on a scale&#xA;of usable currencies in major economies.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The downsides are obviously confusion (causing mistakes resulting in&#xA;lost coins), and possibly from a psychological perspective on price&#xA;(uBTC are worthless!).  On the other hand, it also might help people&#xA;feel like they are getting in on the ground floor still (I own 100,000&#xA;uBTC!), and reduce the perception the Bitcoins are not divisible (I have&#xA;heard several people worry that 21 million is not enough units).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Alan&#39;s ideas for compatibility with multiple fields will also be&#xA;helpful to solving the confusion issue.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Mark Friedenbach &lt;mark at monetize.io&#xA;&lt;mailto:mark at monetize.io&gt;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; For this reason I&#39;m in favor of skipping mBTC and moving straight to&#xA;&gt; uBTC. Having eight, or even five decimal places is not intuitive to&#xA;&gt; the average user. Two decimal places is becoming standard for new&#xA;&gt; national currencies, and we wouldn&#39;t be too far from human scale&#xA;&gt; everyday numbers: 25.00uBTC ~= $0.01 currently. And I don&#39;t think very&#xA;&gt; many people on this list would consider bitcoin overvalued in the long&#xA;&gt; term perspective.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Better to go through a confusing renumbering only once.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Mark&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On 11/14/13 12:01 PM, Alan Reiner wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; ... I&#39;m also of the opinion that it&#39;s freakin&#39; hard to change the&#xA;&gt; &gt; base unit in such an established system.  There is no easy way to&#xA;&gt; &gt; do this that doesn&#39;t cause more heartache than it&#39;s worth...&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;    &#xA;------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;     DreamFactory - Open Source REST &amp; JSON Services for HTML5 &amp; Native&#xA;Apps&#xA;&gt;     OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access&#xA;&gt;     Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP&#xA;server.&#xA;&gt;     Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and&#xA;Native!&#xA;&gt;    &#xA;http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&amp;iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk&#xA;&gt;     _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt;     Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt;     Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&lt;mailto:Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&gt;&#xA;&gt;     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; DreamFactory - Open Source REST &amp; JSON Services for HTML5 &amp; Native Apps&#xA;&gt; OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access&#xA;&gt; Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server.&#xA;&gt; Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native!&#xA;&gt;&#xA;http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&amp;iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20131114/862ccf75/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>