<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1ac86vemj7ce5z8jyxt39rna3tvwql6xd30ha3vxcd6esysp23d9qrlswfj</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1ac86vemj7ce5z8jyxt39rna3tvwql6xd30ha3vxcd6esysp23d9qrlswfj</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-01&#xA;📝 Original message:Agree with everything you said.  Spot on observations on all counts.&#xA;Thank you for speaking up.&#xA;&#xA;Adam&#xA;&#xA;On 1 June 2015 at 13:45, Jérôme Legoupil &lt;jjlegoupil at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;What do other people think?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;If we can&#39;t come to an agreement soon, then I&#39;ll ask for help&#xA;&gt;&gt;reviewing/submitting patches to Mike&#39;s Bitcoin-Xt project that implement a&#xA;&gt;&gt;big increase now that grows over time so we may never have to go through&#xA;&gt;&gt;all this rancor and debate again.&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;I&#39;ll then ask for help lobbying the merchant services and exchanges and&#xA;&gt;&gt;hosted wallet companies and other bitcoind-using-infrastructure companies&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; It&#39;s surprising to see a core dev going to the public to defend a proposal&#xA;&gt; most other core devs disagree on, and then lobbying the Bitcoin ecosystem.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; This is an very unhealthy way to go because it incentives the other core&#xA;&gt; devs to stop their technical work and go public and lobby too (cf G.Maxwell&#xA;&gt; trying to raise redditters awareness).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; We need core devs to work on technical issues, not waste time doing&#xA;&gt; politics, but Gavin&#39;s confrontational approach doesn&#39;t give them much of a&#xA;&gt; choice.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I fear that because of this approach, in the next monthes, core devs with be&#xA;&gt; lobbying and doing politics : precious time will be wasted for everyone&#xA;&gt; having stake in Bitcoin.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Regarding the 20MB proposal content:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Decentralization is the core of Bitcoin&#39;s security model and thus that&#39;s&#xA;&gt; what gives Bitcoin its value.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The danger is that decentralization tends naturally towards centralization,&#xA;&gt; because centralization is more efficient. Going from decentralization to&#xA;&gt; centralization is easy, going the other way is a lot harder :&#xA;&gt; decentralization we lose, may never be gained back.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Regarding &#34;the urgency to do something&#34;:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I believe it would be extremely healthy for the network to bump into any&#xA;&gt; limit ASAP ... (let it be 1MB) : to incentive layer 2 and offchain solutions&#xA;&gt; to scale Bitcoin : there are promising designs/solutions out there (LN,&#xA;&gt; ChainDB, OtherCoin protocole, ...), but most don&#39;t get much attention,&#xA;&gt; because there is right now no need for them. And, I am sure new solutions&#xA;&gt; will be invented.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; If during the &#34;1MB bumpy period&#34; something goes wrong, consensus among the&#xA;&gt; community would be reached easily if necessary.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Pretending there is urgency and that Apocalypse is approaching is a fallacy.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The Gavin 20MB proposal is compromising Bitcoin&#39;s long-term security in an&#xA;&gt; irreversible way, for gaining short-term better user experience.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I oppose the Gavin proposal in both content and form.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Cheers,&#xA;&gt; Jerome&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;</html></oembed>