<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>Tom Harding [ARCHIVE] (npub1ms…pmwjy)</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1msef5qkfwz4t7qacwxz775wgdtlytph78g2g2z903x90874u263sypmwjy</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-08-11&#xA;📝 Original message:On 8/11/2015 2:23 PM, Adam Back via bitcoin-dev wrote:&#xA;&gt; I dont think Bitcoin being cheaper is the main characteristic of&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin.  I think the interesting thing is trustlessness - being able&#xA;&gt; to transact without relying on third parties.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;That rules out Lightning Network.&#xA;&#xA;Lightning relies on third parties all over the place.  Many things must &#xA;be done right, and on-time by N intermediate third parties (subject to &#xA;business pressures and regulation) or your payment will not work.&#xA;&#xA;Lightning hubs can&#39;t steal your money.  Yay!  But banks stealing your &#xA;payment money is not a problem with today&#39;s payment systems. Some real &#xA;problems with those systems are:&#xA;&#xA;  - Limited ACCESS to payment systems&#xA;  - High FEES&#xA;  - Transaction AMOUNT restrictions&#xA;  - FRAUD due to weak technology&#xA;  - CURRENCY conversions&#xA;&#xA;Plain old bitcoin solves all of these problems.&#xA;&#xA;Bitcoin does have challenges.  THROUGHPUT and TIME-TO-RELIABILITY are &#xA;critical ones.  DECENTRALIZATION and PRIVACY must not be degraded.  &#xA;These challenges can be met and exceeded.</html></oembed>