<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub10r9d6edmnrljk59wsf06zqp494l3qtjpa3w245hy6t5euqxlzw2qdkgk2d</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub10r9d6edmnrljk59wsf06zqp494l3qtjpa3w245hy6t5euqxlzw2qdkgk2d</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2017-05-09&#xA;📝 Original message:Doing a second soft-fork from 50% to 75% sounds more difficult since&#xA;that&#39;s going from a more restrictive ruleset to less restrictive, you&#xA;might be able to hack around it but it wouldn&#39;t be a fully backwards&#xA;compatible change like going from 75% to 50% would be. 50% vs 75% does&#xA;affect max transactions/second in practice, the exact amount depends&#xA;on the real world usage of course though.&#xA;&#xA;On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev&#xA;&lt;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; Thanks Johnson and Hampus for the clarifications.&#xA;&gt; However, I would rather do the opposite: soft-fork to 50% now, and soft-fork&#xA;&gt; again to 75% discount later if needed, because it doesn&#39;t affect the max&#xA;&gt; transactions/second.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Segwit as it is today should be activated. However if it is not before&#xA;&gt; November, then for the next Segwit attempt I would choose a more&#xA;&gt; conservative 50% discount.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Johnson Lau &lt;jl2012 at xbt.hk&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; On 9 May 2017, at 21:49, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; So it seems the 75% discount has been chosen with the idea that in the&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; future the current transaction pattern will shift towards multisigs. This is&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; not a bad idea, as it&#39;s the only direction Bitcoin can scale without a HF.&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; But it&#39;s a bad idea if we end up doing, for example, a 2X blocksize&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; increase HF in the future. In that case it&#39;s much better to use a 50%&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; witness discount, and do not make scaling risky by making the worse case&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; block size 8 Mbytes, when it could have been 2*2.7=5.4 Mbytes.&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; As we could change any parameter in a hardfork, I don’t think this has any&#xA;&gt;&gt; relation with the current BIP141 proposal. We could just use 75% in a&#xA;&gt;&gt; softfork, and change that to a different value (or completely redefine the&#xA;&gt;&gt; definition of weight) with a hardfork later.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;</html></oembed>