<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1y22yec0znyzw8qndy5qn5c2wgejkj0k9zsqra7kvrd6cd6896z4qm5taj0</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2022-04-23&#xA;📝 Original message:On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 5:05 AM Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; @Zac&#xA;&gt; &gt;  More use cases means more blockchain usage which increases the price of&#xA;&gt; a transaction for *everyone*.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; This is IMO a ridiculous opposition. Anything that increases the utility&#xA;&gt; of the bitcoin network will increase usage of the blockchain and increase&#xA;&gt; the price of a transaction on average. It is absurd to say such a thing is&#xA;&gt; bad for bitcoin. Its like the old saying: &#34;nobody goes there any more -&#xA;&gt; its too crowded&#34;.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; I like the maxim of Peter Todd: any change of Bitcoin must benefit *all*&#xA;&gt; users.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; This is a fair opinion to take on the face of it. However, I completely&#xA;&gt; disagree with it. Why must any change benefit *all* users? Did segwit&#xA;&gt; benefit all users? Did taproot? What if an upgrade benefits 90% of users&#xA;&gt; a LOT and at the same time doesn&#39;t negatively affect the other 10%? Is that&#xA;&gt; a bad change? I think you&#39;d find it very difficult to argue it is.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Regardless of the above, I think CTV *does *in fact likely provide&#xA;&gt; substantial benefit to all users in the following ways:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; 1. CTV allows much easier/cheaper ways of improving their security via&#xA;&gt; wallet vaults,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Maybe.  But there are enough security caveats that it probably needs other&#xA;opcodes too to be useful.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;DLCs, channels&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;APO (BIP118) handles these with a smaller footprint&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;and many other use cases.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;Someone want to volunteer to make a table of use cases, proposed opcodes&#xA;(CTV, APO)  and a maturity and efficiency rating at each intersection?&#xA;&#xA;Hard to juggle all this.&#xA;&#xA;I&#39;m not a fan of the squeaky wheel method of consensus.&#xA;&#xA;I do think most people believe some form of restricted, well-tested&#xA;covenants that don&#39;t allow for recursion should make it into Bitcoin at&#xA;some point.&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20220423/5adf57df/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>