<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1jp0jnnq2jxcjy76nrt5dssvmpynt4f9psdelp3vxj0y0xtpxl7jqhkn8jw</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1jp0jnnq2jxcjy76nrt5dssvmpynt4f9psdelp3vxj0y0xtpxl7jqhkn8jw</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-04-20&#xA;📝 Original message:The term bit is really only overloaded for those who are techy. 95% of the&#xA;population never uses the term bit in their daily lives and I doubt most&#xA;could even name one use of the term.&#xA;Plus bit used to be a unit of money way back when, so this is kind of&#xA;reclaiming it. I think it&#39;s a great fit.&#xA;On Apr 20, 2014 11:52 AM, &#34;Alan Reiner&#34; &lt;etotheipi at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt;  I&#39;ve been a staunch supporter of &#34;microbitcoin&#34; and would like to do&#xA;&gt; anything I can to make sure that we jump directly to it if we&#39;re going to&#xA;&gt; promote changing the default units.  And I&#39;m happy to integrate it into&#xA;&gt; Armory as a default (with appropriate explanations and settings/options).&#xA;&gt; I&#39;m not so convinced about the &#34;bits&#34; name though -- I do like it, but I do&#xA;&gt; also think that word is too overloaded.  Though, I think we could get away&#xA;&gt; with it.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; (Sadly, I still use &#34;microbes&#34; occasionally (as in *microb*itcoin) when&#xA;&gt; I&#39;m talking to coworkers, because it slips off the tongue and is actually a&#xA;&gt; good combination of brevity and self-explanatory -- it just doesn&#39;t instill&#xA;&gt; the right visuals...)&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; We started integrating alternative units into Armory.  But, of course,&#xA;&gt; there were a few more loose ends than I expected, which will require some&#xA;&gt; work.   We want to put it in but not necessarily change the default right&#xA;&gt; away.  I&#39;d *prefer* we get some commitments from some other wallet&#xA;&gt; developers, so we can make a unified push for it.  I&#39;m happy to lead that&#xA;&gt; and make it default as long as I&#39;m not the only one in the world doing it.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; -Alan&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On 04/20/2014 11:05 AM, Tamas Blummer wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Here is an earlier reference to bits:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html&lt;https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;  I forgot that Alan Reiner was also supporting a unit equals to bits :&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html&lt;https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;  and here the earlier going back to March 2013 and a poll at that time&#xA;&gt; pushing for XBT being 1 bit&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html&lt;https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;  Regards,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Tamas Blummer&#xA;&gt; http://bitsofproof.com&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;  On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille &lt;pieter.wuille at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull request for&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention changes&#xA;&gt; to just one client.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I wasn&#39;t aware of any discussion about the &#34;bits&#34; proposal here before.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer &lt;tamas at bitsofproof.com&gt;&#xA;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; People on this list are mostly engineers who have no problem dealing with&#xA;&gt; magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who have a problem&#xA;&gt; with them.&#xA;&gt; They also tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they would&#xA;&gt; not&#xA;&gt; need to care of finance&#39;s or people&#39;s current customs.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as people&#xA;&gt; already use wallets other than the core.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my support and&#xA;&gt; Jeff&#xA;&gt; Garzik&#39;s.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Regards,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Tamas Blummer&#xA;&gt; http://bitsofproof.com&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding &lt;rob.golding at astutium.com&gt;&lt;rob.golding at astutium.com&gt;wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The average person is not going to be confident that the prefix they&#xA;&gt; are using is the correct one,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The use of any &#39;prefix&#39; is one of choice and entirely unnecessary, and&#xA;&gt; there&#xA;&gt; are already established &#39;divisions&#39; in u/mBTC for those that feel they need&#xA;&gt; to use such things.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; people WILL send 1000x more or less than&#xA;&gt; intended if we go down this road,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2 and 3&#xA;&gt; dp&#39;s in amount ranging from &#39;under 1 whole unit&#39; to tens of thousands - Not&#xA;&gt; once in 20 years has anyone ever &#39;sent&#39; more or less than intended - oh,&#xA;&gt; they&#39;ve &#39;intended&#39; to underpay just fine, but never *unintended*.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate the&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. 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