<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub12rkw0jajmsck4uwdtksdvtswrlkypusfryjzera7m4fhqta6jhdsz3aqxc</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub12rkw0jajmsck4uwdtksdvtswrlkypusfryjzera7m4fhqta6jhdsz3aqxc</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-03-13&#xA;📝 Original message:I agree with you Jeff. The unit switch needs to happen once and once only,&#xA;but that is exactly why I said the defaults really need to change in&#xA;Bitcoin-Qt since that is still the main reference implementation and it&#xA;will influence others.&#xA;&#xA;Bitpay could also take the lead here and make the switch to their defaults.&#xA;That would greatly assist the uBTC movement.&#xA;&#xA;Regardless of what anyone says, Bitcoin-Qt is still the main reference&#xA;implementation and the best way to encourage a change in the community at&#xA;large is for the default units to be changed here. Core devs can surely&#xA;garner enough consensus among themselves to accept and merge a PR to that&#xA;effect. That will send a message, more than anything else that can be done.&#xA;&#xA;My two satoshi.&#xA;&#xA;Drak&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On 13 March 2014 16:29, Jeff Garzik &lt;jgarzik at bitpay.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Alan Reiner &lt;etotheipi at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; Of course, as Mike said, this ship may have already sailed, but if&#xA;&gt; &gt; there&#39;s any way to revisit this, I&#39;m there.  We&#39;re just about to do&#xA;&gt; &gt; another Armory release and could support this very easily.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; mBTC now just means the issue -will- be revisited in the future.  Just&#xA;&gt; a question of when, not if.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; People and software in various nations handle big numbers for small&#xA;&gt; values (e.g. Yen) just fine.&#xA;&gt; People and software do -not- handle extra decimal places well, field&#xA;&gt; experience shows.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; &lt;vendor hat: on&gt;  To roll out QuickBooks support --without converting&#xA;&gt; any numbers, a key financial attribute-- mBTC is simply insufficient&#xA;&gt; today, not in the future.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I also argue that it is a security risk, as follows:  To support&#xA;&gt; accounting packages limited to 2 decimal places, decimal point&#xA;&gt; conversion must be performed.  This produces a situation where your&#xA;&gt; accounting system shows numbers that do not visually match the numbers&#xA;&gt; in the bitcoin software.  That, in turn, making auditing more&#xA;&gt; difficult, particularly for outsiders.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Shipping with mBTC defaults was decidedly unwise, considering that --&#xA;&gt; like BTC -- it fails to solve existing, known problems that uBTC can&#xA;&gt; solve, and considering the inevitable mBTC-&gt;uBTC switch.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; --&#xA;&gt; Jeff Garzik&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist&#xA;&gt; BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O&#39;Reilly Book&#xA;&gt; &#34;Graph Databases&#34; is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their&#xA;&gt; applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,&#xA;&gt; this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!&#xA;&gt; http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20140313/ed4f62d7/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>