<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub13rv3raner7hu6npy7vxxvdswdapae65pnw8jjs4c80wtp2nmg4xq9cy5l4</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub13rv3raner7hu6npy7vxxvdswdapae65pnw8jjs4c80wtp2nmg4xq9cy5l4</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-08-11&#xA;📝 Original message:Hi Jorge: Many people would like to participate in a global consensus&#xA;network -- which is a network where all the participating nodes are aware&#xA;of and agree upon every transaction. Constraining Bitcoin capacity below&#xA;the limits of technology will only push users seeking to participate in a&#xA;global consensus network to other solutions which have adequate capacity,&#xA;such as BitcoinXT or others. Note that lightning / hub and spoke do not&#xA;meet requirements for users wishing to participate in global consensus,&#xA;because they are not global consensus networks, since all participating&#xA;nodes are not aware of all transactions.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Jorge Timón &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Aug 11, 2015 12:14 AM, &#34;Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev&#34; &lt;&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; On Monday 10. August 2015 13.55.03 Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote:&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; Gavin, I interpret the absence of response to these questions as a&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; sign that everybody agrees that  there&#39;s no other reason to increase&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; the consensus block size other than to avoid minimum market fees from&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; rising (above zero).&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; Feel free to correct that notion at any time by answering the&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; questions yourself.&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; In fact if any other &#34;big block size advocate&#34; thinks there&#39;s more&#xA;&gt; &gt; &gt; reason I would like to hear their reasons too.&#xA;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt; &gt; See my various emails in the last hour.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I&#39;ve read them. I have read gavin&#39;s blog posts as well, several times.&#xA;&gt; I still don&#39;t see what else can we fear from not increasing the size apart&#xA;&gt; from fees maybe rising and making some problems that need to be solved&#xA;&gt; rewardless of the size more visible (like a dumb unbounded mempool design).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; This discussion is frustrating for everyone. I could also say &#34;This have&#xA;&gt; been explained many times&#34; and similar things, but that&#39;s not productive.&#xA;&gt; I&#39;m not trying to be obstinate, please, answer what else is to fear or&#xA;&gt; admit that all your feas are just potential consequences of rising fees.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; With the risk of sounding condescending or aggressive...Really, is not&#xA;&gt; that hard to answer questions directly and succinctly. We should all be&#xA;&gt; friends with clarity. Only fear, uncertainty and doubt are enemies of&#xA;&gt; clarity. But you guys on the &#34;bigger blocks side&#34; don&#39;t want to spread fud,&#xA;&gt; do you?&#xA;&gt; Please, prove paranoid people like me wrong on this point, for the good of&#xA;&gt; this discussion. I really don&#39;t know how else to ask this without getting a&#xA;&gt; link to something I have already read as a response.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150811/ec6892eb/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>