<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1798ncudyucap9jzzujjsgufx8tdykm8auzfledjcs6f6wf4ekqvq8lpmjt</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1798ncudyucap9jzzujjsgufx8tdykm8auzfledjcs6f6wf4ekqvq8lpmjt</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-01-17&#xA;📝 Original message:So far I&#39;ve only liked the original name &#34;Stealth address&#34; and the&#xA;suggestion &#34;routing address&#34;.&#xA;&#xA;Should we put this up for some kind of informal vote with comments allowed?&#xA;Like a Google docs form?&#xA;&#xA;- Sent from my phone&#xA;Den 17 jan 2014 10:18 skrev &#34;Mike Hearn&#34; &lt;mike at plan99.net&gt;:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It&#39;d be a great place to&#xA;&gt; store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; How about we split the difference and go with &#34;privacy address&#34;? As Peter&#xA;&gt; notes, that&#39;s what people actually like and want. The problem with stealth&#xA;&gt; is it&#39;s got strong connotations with American military hardware and perhaps&#xA;&gt; thieves sneaking around in the night:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&amp;q=stealth&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; But everyone loves privacy.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Drak &lt;drak at zikula.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Peter I agree with you about  &#34;reusable addresses&#34;, but aren&#39;t we also&#xA;&gt;&gt; trying to get away from the word &#34;address&#34; entirely?  How about calling it&#xA;&gt;&gt; a &#34;payment key&#34; or &#34;reusable payment key&#34; instead? using &#34;stealth&#34; is just&#xA;&gt;&gt; asking for bad press imo.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On 16 January 2014 21:28, Peter Todd &lt;pete at petertodd.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Might I propose &#34;reusable address&#34;.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and even more&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; so encourages wallets to present options as &#39;one time use&#39; vs&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &#39;reusable&#39;.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m very against the name &#34;reusable addresses&#34; and strongly belive we&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; should stick with the name stealth addresses.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets take standard&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay one as many&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; times as I want and everything works just great. I also can enter the&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; address on blockchain.info&#39;s search box, and every transaction related&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with &#34;1&#34; are reusable. B:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a &#34;reusable&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; address. My reaction is &#34;Huh? Normal addresses are reusable, what&#39;s&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; special about this weird reusable address thing that my buddy Bob&#39;s&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; wallet software couldn&#39;t pay.&#34; I might even try to enter in a &#34;reusable&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; address in blockchain.info, which won&#39;t work, and I&#39;ll just figure&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#34;must be some new unsupported thing&#34; and move on with my life.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have &#34;stealth address&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; support. I&#39;m going to think &#34;Huh, stealth? I guess that means privacy&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; right? I like privacy.&#34; If I try searching for a stealth address on&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; blockchain.info, when it doesn&#39;t work I might think twig on &#34;Oh right!&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the transactions are&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; hidden?&#34; I might also think &#34;Maybe this is like stealth/incognito mode&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; in my browser? So like, there&#39;s no history being kept for others to&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; see?&#34; Regardless, I&#39;m going to be thinking &#34;well I hear scary stuff&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like it&#39;s gonna&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; help, so I should learn more about that&#34;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne of very&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public conciousness&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; associations is going to throw away the momentum of that good PR and&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup and I&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; based on conversations there with people there, technical and&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and almost everyone&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good thing. 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