<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1xvnnyhz8e4eklaakjc9xgm5w8pzkuckt923uacz2cftqdqx23g7q3c5rqg</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1xvnnyhz8e4eklaakjc9xgm5w8pzkuckt923uacz2cftqdqx23g7q3c5rqg</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-12-29&#xA;📝 Original message:How could this possibly be enforced?&#xA;&#xA;On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; There have been no decent objections to altering the block-selection&#xA;&gt; mechanism (when two block solutions appear at nearly the same time) as&#xA;&gt; described at&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/39226&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Key components are:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;    - Compute BitcoinDaysDestroyed using only transactions that have been&#xA;&gt;    in your mempool for some time as oBTCDD (&#34;old BTCDD&#34;).&#xA;&gt;    - Use &#34;nearly the same time&#34; to mean separated in time by your guess&#xA;&gt;    of the average duration of block propagation times.&#xA;&gt;    - When two block solutions come in at nearly the same time, build on&#xA;&gt;    the one that has the most oBTCDD, rather than the one that came in first.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The goal of this change is to reduce the profitability of withholding&#xA;&gt; block solutions by severely reducing the chances that a block solved a&#xA;&gt; while ago can orphan one solved recently.  &#34;Came in first&#34; seems more&#xA;&gt; easily gamed than &#34;most oBTCDD&#34;.  As I wrote there, &#34;*old coins* is&#xA;&gt; always a dwindling resource and *global nodes willing to help cheat* is&#xA;&gt; probably a growing one.&#34;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I will write a BIP if anyone agrees it&#39;s a good idea.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Brightly via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; Far more concerning is network propagation effects between large and&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; small miners. For that class of issues, if you are in an environemnt&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; where selfish mining is possible - a fairly flat, easily DoS/sybil&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; attacked network topology - the profitability difference between small&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; and large miners even *without* attacks going on is a hugely worrying&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; problem. OTOH, if you&#39;re blocksize is small enough that propagation time&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; is negligable to profitability, then selfish mining attacks with &lt;30%&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; hashing power aren&#39;t much of a concern - they&#39;ll be naturally defeated&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt; by anti-DoS/anti-sybil measures.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Let&#39;s agree that one factor in mining profitability is bandwidth/network&#xA;&gt;&gt; reliability/stability. Why focus on that vs electricity contracts or&#xA;&gt;&gt; vertically integrated chip manufacturers? Surely, sufficient network&#xA;&gt;&gt; bandwidth is a more broadly available commodity than &lt;$0.02/kwh&#xA;&gt;&gt; electricity, for example. I&#39;m not sure that your stranded hydroelectric&#xA;&gt;&gt; miner is any more desirable than thousands of dorm room miners with access&#xA;&gt;&gt; to 10gbit university connections and free electricity.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; --&#xA;&gt; I like to provide some work at no charge to prove my value. Do you need a&#xA;&gt; techie?&#xA;&gt; I own Litmocracy &lt;http://www.litmocracy.com&gt; and Meme Racing&#xA;&gt; &lt;http://www.memeracing.net&gt; (in alpha).&#xA;&gt; I&#39;m the webmaster for The Voluntaryist &lt;http://www.voluntaryist.com&gt;&#xA;&gt; which now accepts Bitcoin.&#xA;&gt; I also code for The Dollar Vigilante &lt;http://dollarvigilante.com/&gt;.&#xA;&gt; &#34;He ought to find it more profitable to play by the rules&#34; - Satoshi&#xA;&gt; Nakamoto&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20151229/01725358/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>