<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1uvtfvcegcn9kds68r8he57emc480vqtx8t22kpsctxgjxae44gvsksaxrt</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1uvtfvcegcn9kds68r8he57emc480vqtx8t22kpsctxgjxae44gvsksaxrt</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2014-03-13&#xA;📝 Original message:On 13 March 2014 16:50, Mike Hearn &lt;mike at plan99.net&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Jeff Garzik &lt;jgarzik at bitpay.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Such hand-wavy, data-free logic is precisely why community&#xA;&gt;&gt; coordination is preferred to random apps making random decisions in&#xA;&gt;&gt; this manner.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; That ship sailed months ago. If you wanted a big push for uBTC, then would&#xA;&gt; have been the time. Though given that it&#39;d have made lots of normal&#xA;&gt; balances incredibly huge, perhaps it&#39;s a good thing that didn&#39;t happen.&#xA;&gt; Also &#34;milli&#34; is a unit people encounter in daily life whereas micro isn&#39;t.&#xA;&gt; Is it milli / micro / nano or milli / nano / micro? I bet a lot of people&#xA;&gt; would get that wrong.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; If you have to export to financial packages that can&#39;t handle fractional&#xA;&gt; pennies, then by all means represent prices in whatever units you like for&#xA;&gt; that purpose, but in software designed for ordinary people in everyday life&#xA;&gt; mBTC is a pretty good fit.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Besides, fractional pennies crop up in existing currencies too (the famous&#xA;&gt; Verizon Math episode showed this), so if a financial package insists on&#xA;&gt; rounding to 2dp then I guess it may sometimes do the wrong thing in some&#xA;&gt; business cases already.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Fundamentally, more than two decimal places tends to violate the&#xA;&gt;&gt; Principle Of Least Astonishment with many humans, and as a result,&#xA;&gt;&gt; popular software systems have been written with that assumption.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Lots of people use currencies that don&#39;t have any fractional components at&#xA;&gt; all ! So perhaps all prices should be denominated in satoshis to ensure&#xA;&gt; that they&#39;re not surprised :)&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The (number) line has to be drawn somewhere. Wallets are free to suppress&#xA;&gt; more than 2dp of precision and actually Andreas&#39; app lets you choose your&#xA;&gt; preferred precision. So I think in the end it won&#39;t matter a whole lot, if&#xA;&gt; the defaults end up being wrong people can change them until wallet authors&#xA;&gt; catch up.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&#xA;+1 agree with Mike on everything&#xA;&#xA;A couple of points:&#xA;&#xA;1. bitcoinity already switched to mbtc aka millitbits (&#xA;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MilliBit ) and it was positively recieved, they&#xA;got quite a few donations&#xA;&#xA;2. If you watch Gavin&#39;s talk at the CFR he suggests the community comes to&#xA;a consensus through implementations rather than top down decision making&#xA;(If I understood correctly)&#xA;&#xA;I think it&#39;s up to wallet maintainers whether to switch the default.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O&#39;Reilly Book&#xA;&gt; &#34;Graph Databases&#34; is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their&#xA;&gt; applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,&#xA;&gt; this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!&#xA;&gt; http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20140313/8d9f087b/attachment.html&gt;</html></oembed>