<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1fx98zxt3lzspjs5f4msr0fxysx5euucm29ghysryju7vpc9j0jzqtcl2d8</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-08-11&#xA;📝 Original message:On Aug 11, 2015 9:37 PM, &#34;Michael Naber&#34; &lt;mickeybob at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Hitting the limit in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The&#xA;question at hand is whether we should constrain that limit below what&#xA;technology is capable of delivering. I&#39;m arguing that not only we should&#xA;not, but that we could not even if we wanted to, since competition will&#xA;deliver capacity for global consensus whether it&#39;s in Bitcoin or in some&#xA;other product / fork.&#xA;&#xA;You didn&#39;t answer the 2 questions...&#xA;Anyway, if we don&#39;t care about centralization at all, we can just remove&#xA;the limit: that&#39;s what &#34;technology can provide&#34;.&#xA;Maybe in that case it is developers who move to a decentralized&#xA;competitor...&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Jorge Timón &lt;jtimon at jtimon.cc&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; On Aug 11, 2015 8:46 PM, &#34;Michael Naber&#34; &lt;mickeybob at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Jorge: Many people would like to participate in a global consensus&#xA;network -- which is a network where all the participating nodes are aware&#xA;of and agree upon every transaction. Constraining Bitcoin capacity below&#xA;the limits of technology will only push users seeking to participate in a&#xA;global consensus network to other solutions which have adequate capacity,&#xA;such as BitcoinXT or others. Note that lightning / hub and spoke do not&#xA;meet requirements for users wishing to participate in global consensus,&#xA;because they are not global consensus networks, since all participating&#xA;nodes are not aware of all transactions.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Even if you are right, first fees will raise and that will be what&#xA;pushes people to other altcoins, no?&#xA;&gt;&gt; Can we agree that the first step in any potentially bad situation is&#xA;hitting the limit and then fees rising as a consequence?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150811/59cd09a5/attachment-0001.html&gt;</html></oembed>