<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1r3san9v5njl6798hvauyu9ntm6r9c7u8s0t65wls58gpfdcvqp5sa48d0u</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1r3san9v5njl6798hvauyu9ntm6r9c7u8s0t65wls58gpfdcvqp5sa48d0u</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-09-20&#xA;📝 Original message:Replying to this specific email only because it is the most recent in my&#xA;mail client.&#xA;&#xA;Does this conversation have to happen on-list? It seems to have wandered&#xA;incredibly far off-topic.&#xA;&#xA;On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&#xA;&gt; Also, in the US, despite overwhelming resistance on a broad scale,&#xA;&gt;&gt; legislation continues to be presented which would violate the 2nd amendment&#xA;&gt;&gt; right to keep and bear arms.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; And yet the proposed legislation goes nowhere, and the USA continues to&#xA;&gt; stand alone in having the first world&#39;s weakest gun control laws.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; You are just supporting my point with this example. Obama would like to&#xA;&gt; restrict guns, but can&#39;t, because they are too popular (in the USA).&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; The comparison to BitTorrent is likewise weak: governments hardly care&#xA;&gt; about piracy. They care enough to pass laws occasionally, but not enough to&#xA;&gt; put serious effort into enforcement. Wake me up when the USA establishes a&#xA;&gt; Copyright Enforcement Administration with the same budget and powers as the&#xA;&gt; DEA.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Internet based black markets exist only because governments tolerate them&#xA;&gt; (for now). A ban on Tor, Bitcoin or both would send them back to the&#xA;&gt; pre-2011 state where they were virtually non-existent. Governments tolerate&#xA;&gt; this sort of abuse only because they believe, I think correctly, that&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin can have great benefits for their ordinary voters and for now are&#xA;&gt; willing to let the tech industry experiment.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; But for that state of affairs to continue, the benefits must actually&#xA;&gt; appear. That requires growth.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; I think there&#39;s a difference between natural growth and the kind of growth&#xA;&gt;&gt; that&#39;s being proposed by bank-backed start-ups and pro-censorship entities.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; What difference? Are you saying the people who come to Bitcoin because of&#xA;&gt; a startup are somehow less &#34;natural&#34; than other users?&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150920/65ddbc70/attachment-0001.html&gt;</html></oembed>