<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><author_name>npub1azvhdrf9fu6n0tm7yez4j6zcxcedp2ct6nrcq3z74naqs7kgpk8s5t2krq</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.ae/npub1azvhdrf9fu6n0tm7yez4j6zcxcedp2ct6nrcq3z74naqs7kgpk8s5t2krq</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.ae</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2015-06-13&#xA;📝 Original message:That’s exactly the problem with Bitcoin - it was supposed to be the case that users ARE the miners and node operators…but…alas…&#xA;&#xA;&gt; On Jun 13, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Danny Thorpe &lt;danny.thorpe at gmail.com&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Please forgive my ignorance, but why should Bitcoin users have a say in block size limits?  It&#39;s the miners and Bitcoin node operators that bear the burden of managing large blocks, no?&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Users voting on network parameters sounds like neighbors voting on how deep my swimming pool should be.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Thanks,&#xA;&gt; -Danny&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Peter Todd &lt;pete at petertodd.org &lt;mailto:pete at petertodd.org&gt;&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt; Jeff Garzik recently proposed that the upper blocksize limit be removed&#xA;&gt; entirely, with a &#34;soft&#34; limit being enforced via miner vote, recorded by&#xA;&gt; hashing power.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; This mechanism within the protocol for users to have any influence over&#xA;&gt; the miner vote. We can add that back by providing a way for transactions&#xA;&gt; themselves to set a flag determining whether or not they can be included&#xA;&gt; in a block casting a specific vote.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; We can simplify Garzik&#39;s vote to say that one of the nVersion bits&#xA;&gt; either votes for the blocksize to be increased, or decreased, by some&#xA;&gt; fixed ratio (e.g 2x or 1/2x) the next interval. Then we can use a&#xA;&gt; nVersion bit in transactions themselves, also voting for an increase or&#xA;&gt; decrease. Transactions may only be included in blocks with an&#xA;&gt; indentical vote, thus providing miners with a monetary incentive via&#xA;&gt; fees to vote according to user wishes.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; Of course, to cast a &#34;don&#39;t care&#34; vote we can either define an&#xA;&gt; additional bit, or sign the transaction with both versions. Equally we&#xA;&gt; can even have different versions with different fees, broadcast via a&#xA;&gt; mechanism such as replace-by-fee.&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; See also John Dillon&#39;s proposal for proof-of-stake blocksize voting:&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg02323.html &lt;https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg02323.html&gt;&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; --&#xA;&gt; &#39;peter&#39;[:-1]@petertodd.org &lt;http://petertodd.org/&gt;&#xA;&gt; 0000000000000000127ab1d576dc851f374424f1269c4700ccaba2c42d97e778&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net &lt;mailto:Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&gt;&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development &lt;https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&gt;&#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; &#xA;&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development mailing list&#xA;&gt; Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net&#xA;&gt; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development&#xA;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150613/0b7a0b67/attachment.html&gt;&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;A non-text attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;Name: signature.asc&#xA;Type: application/pgp-signature&#xA;Size: 842 bytes&#xA;Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150613/0b7a0b67/attachment.sig&gt;</html></oembed>